Location of the lower dan tian

Mohammed Saiah
Letzter: vor 3 Wochen 1 Tag
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody can describe the location of the lower dan tian in Bruce's system? When he refers to it, it sounds more like a region then a point. But when you "put" your mind in the Dan Tian there must be a "gate" point. No?

Theres has been a lot written on the subject already but I didn't find a clear location in most cases.

If that's a point where is it located inside? On the central channel?

Thanks for your help.

MS

Richard Shapiro
Letzter: vor 2 Wochen 2 Tage
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
hi MS that's a big

hi MS

that's a big question.
on some level, the tan tien is an area, or field. on another level, there's also for sure a point, located on the central channel, about 1-2 inches (approx) below the belly button. This is what bruce has taught, and that's my experience as well.

when I practice storing chi, I use both. it feels to me that I bring the chi into the tan tien area, or the lower abdominal cavity, and then when I get it to really store, it feels like it's vanishing into a point.. when you are moving from the lower tan tien, such as in taiji, all of the abdominal tissue seems involved, but you have to be moving from the center point for it to work well, it seems.

the way I can tell im in my lower tan tien is this:: there's a much greater sense of 3 dimensionality to my awareness when im focused on lower tan tien. when im in my head, it's more like im seeing 2d (out of my eyes) not 3d (getting info from all the nerves?). It first happened at bruce meditation, this sensation of "seeing" from lower tan tien and it was striking. id love to hear if others have had similar experiences, or how people have experienced it.

so id ask, what is your experience of it? the real trick, it seems, is to get past the academic definition and find it so you can start working with it.

hope this helps, and again, id love to hear what other folks have experienced

be well
richard

Mohammed Saiah
Letzter: vor 3 Wochen 1 Tag
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
Hi Richard, First of all

Hi Richard,

First of all thanks for your reply. I find your explanation very clear & quiet close to my own experience actually.

I do have this inner view that senses lt's exact location to a certain degree. I won't say it's a point more like an (empty) sphere. Not far from the central channel.

I did find yesterday a very detailed explanation in "Chinese medical Qigong Therapy" from Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson that locates it:

in the middle of a downward triangle made by Huiyin CV-1, Shenque CV-8 and Mingen GV-4 which is more or less the central channel area.

A lot of things has been written (or rather copied) on the different locations. My question was a way to help myself & others not to take for granted all that was written on this subject knowing that we keep on refering to this "space" in all our practises.

cheers,

Mo

Cameron Burnett
Letzter: vor 50 Wochen 3 Tage
Beigetreten: 7 Aug 2011
I can only feel the general

I can only feel the general area, although before I even started any major energy stuff I was playing around with finding it by creating an energy ball in my hands in front of it. The sensation I got was like there was string connected to my dantien and the ball that I was creating. The ball was literally pulling energy out and felt exactly like there was something physically connected and getting pulled on. No visualisation. This was a clear sensation.

I have always wondered if it was a sensation I should try and replicate. I've never been able to do it again so I can't really elaborate further than that.

Axel Schlotzhauer
Letzter: vor 5 Jahre 15 Wochen
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
the location of the lower

the location of the lower dantien depends from the usage the different qigong, taichi and alchemical schools makes of it for getting certain energies or how much sexual energy without losing semen shall be used. So different schools and styles may use different locations.

Mantak Chia names 1) the known location below the navel near or at the acupoint sea of energy 2) within the navel 3) above the navel.

I am not that sure. Ratziel Bander as representative of Hsin tao (the way of the gods) uses for the beginning stage much deeper to the penis already a warming point in the pubic region. Having assembled sufficient warm energy it spills over into the feet, warming them.

Pang He Ming, creator of Zhi Nen Qigong, says the place of his lower dantien shall be unique from all Qigongstyles. It's a place a little bit below the navel at the spine with a black-white pearl.

The alchemical cauldron of Mantak Chia is in the beginning stage of lesser Kan& Li coupled in the navel with water brought from the perineum collection point of the kidneys to the solarplexus and fire in different possible ways from below the navel.

This dantien is movable and can be seen by an inner eye connected and later separate to it in a lower place near the coccyx and the spine there for steaming it.

Today it is a common saying that the nerves are connected to acupoints, meridians, channels and dantien. I prefer saying it is artificial manmade imaginary stuff as chinese theory acknowledges as medium chi or soul level of jing, chi and shen energies. So different schools chose different locations.

Axel

Richard Shapiro
Letzter: vor 2 Wochen 2 Tage
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
hi axel the question I

hi axel
the question I have always had about this sort of scholarly comparison is; given that people are pretty much the same, and these cats all seem to be using different points, are they really talking about the same thing or different things? I mean, can a school just "choose" where they want the tan tien to be? it seems more probable that they are either a little off looking for the same thing, or that some or all are actually using another point.

the things that seem primary or essential to the function of the lower tan tien?
1. it's in the middle of the body, along the central channel. (there are other points on the surfaces, not same)
2. it's located in the abdominal cavity, above the pelvis and below the diaphram. (im trying to be a little vague here for the purpose of the discussion)
3. it has the characteristics of both a field and a point
4. it has functions on the 3 levels of energy, jing/chi/shen levels. so it has physical characteristics, energetic characteristics, and vibrational characteristics.
5. it's full function seems to require direct awareness of it, or perhaps it's function is due to the interaction of jing/chi/shen and consciousness.
6.. on some level, each individual has to put effort and time into discovering and developing it.. an academic definition may please, but it's the practice that elevates capacity.

bruce has mentioned these all at some time, and ive experienced them all to a degree.

what have others felt? anyone got a better definition, or a good personal experience to share?

also, regarding the meridians, french radiologists have mapped out the meridians, and they showed that they function pretty much like the chinese say they do, and do not appear to be direct nerve function. their supposition was that there are lines of conductance through the fascia and interstitial fluid, connecting to the organs.

hope this helps

be well
richard

Axel Schlotzhauer
Letzter: vor 5 Jahre 15 Wochen
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
I answered with a full public

I answered with a full public posting it disappeared also in my posts. Sorry lost the track in this moment. Axel

Axel Schlotzhauer
Letzter: vor 5 Jahre 15 Wochen
Beigetreten: 6 Okt 2010
the question I have always

the question I have always had about this sort of scholarly comparison is; given that people are pretty much the same, and these cats all seem to be using different points, are they really talking about the same thing or different things? I mean, can a school just "choose" where they want the tan tien to be? it seems more probable that they are either a little off looking for the same thing, or that some or all are actually using another point.
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Cameron Burnett
Letzter: vor 50 Wochen 3 Tage
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I think I have heard Bruce

I think I have heard Bruce say somewhere that it is a common point where your nervous system comes together. If you think in terms of electronic circuitry then it probably doesn't matter too much if it's not exactly in the right place as long as there is no resistance between the point you're thinking of and the actual point. I bet a master could probably expand from his fingertip and have the same effect because everything is connected. Anyone have any thoughts on that idea?

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In my humble opinion it's a

In my humble opinion it's a bit below the belly button, just above the second chakra. However, if you practice gathering energy in that area long enough, it will become abundantly clear that this seemingly super-conductive energy is charging and condensing itself almost automatically. It requires some focus in that area but most effective gathering and charging involves your will. Your will is the key and eventually you will feel it overwhelmingly powerful concentrate in that area.

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