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  • #129099

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    Hello

    Recently I was told by a teacher that the effects of trauma and depression are things that are largely held in the energy body in a human being … and that if you were to commit to cleansing those Qi channels for 2 or 3 hours a day, that it would have a tremendous effect and could clear most of it out.

    Which has started to make sense to me and I would like to try it.

    So I was wondering which product to buy :

    I did see the DVD : Dragon and Tiger Medical Qigong.

    Could someone tell me if this product is appropriate for my needs ?

    If anyone could recommend something from any teacher that would be great … I am basically concerned with a daily 2 hour pratice with the goal of cleansing all the energy channels fully.

    Of course a real teacher would be great but I can’t afford it, but a book / DVD is very possible. I also have 5 years of Wu Shu under my belt so I am familiar with Chinese Energy.

    thanks for any help

    #134520

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    Hi Ride,

    I have experiance working through trauma and depression using these arts. I’d agree with your teacher when he says that it can take a tremendous amount of effort. It took me 3-4 hours a day of practice for three years before I got through the lion’s share of my problems.

    Qigong is a good place to get started but qigong won’t address problems like deep seated trauma. To address problems of that nature you need to engage in meditation. Bruce’s system of meditation is called Inner Dissolving.

    In Bruce’s system, the Taoists break up energy into 8 different types. The first four are the physical body, chi body, emotional body, mental body. Qigong can help address problems in the first two bodies. They can make your physical body much healthier and they can give you a great deal of energy to use in your day to day life. Fixing problems in the first two bodies can help your emotional body as well.

    But to address deep seated emotional or mental trauma, you need to practice meditation. Meditation can address problems in any of the 8 energy bodies.

    I’d recommend his Opening the Energy Gates of the Body book. I think getting good at this Qigong will help you learn meditation at a later point. I’d also recommend his Sexual Meditation book. I think even if your not interested in the sexual part, it is the clearer description of meditation that he’s put out in writing.

    Hope this helps!
    Janak

    #134521

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    Thanks.

    I have been practicing meditation for 5 years, and sit 2 or 3 times a day in a zen / daoist style, and quite adept.

    I am looking for an energy cleansing practice to deal with and integrate outer layers of the being.

    I have also started doing ZhanZuang recently and found it useful.

    There are many qi gongs and it is very confusing to understand what they all mean.

    So, what do you think about the Dragon Tiger DVD ? Does it meet my needs ?

    That Energy Gates book … well I would prefer a DVD. Also that book seemed like a big reference book rather than a routine.

    I would prefer to be guided towards a routine DVD, or possibly succession of such that would meet my needs.

    #134522

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    I’m glad that your enjoying ZhanZuang! The book that I recommended is a book about Zhan Zuang Qigong. In Bruce’s system that Qigong set is called “Energy Gates”. The book for that set is “Opening the Energy Gates of the body”. The book isn’t a reference book. It’s more of a step by step practice manual, with detailed diagrams. It’s one of my favorites.

    Different Qigong sets work with different parts of the human energy system. They all have various things they specialize in. Dragon and Tiger is a meridian line Qigong set. It’s speciality is quickly helping people feel energy outside of their body. It gives a very tangible sense of Qi.

    #134523

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    Hello there.

    Would you be able to tell me the relationship between Dragon/Tiger and Zhan Zhuang ? And also if they are combinable and in which way.

    I had seen a book called Inside Zhan Zhuang, which seemed more personal that the Opening the Gates book … sort of suited me more I felt … do you know anything about that book ? Here’s a link :

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inside-Zhan-Zhuang-First-Edition/dp/0988317885

    Thanks

    #134524

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    Am I right in thinking that Opening the Energy Gates is a superior practice to Dragon / Tiger.

    For instance I heard Bruce Frantzis says that in China they do 4 or 5 hours a day of Qigong for cancer treatment … he said that in relation to D / T.

    So that makes it sound quite powerful.

    But I also get the feeling that it is intended as a prelim practice … for instance you say that it gives an easy introduction to feeling chi.

    So overall I get the impression that Opening the Energy Gates is the real deal and D/T is in someway an introduction.

    Is that right ?

    #134525

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    I’m not sure about superior but I think the Outer Dissolving Process (which is taught in OtEG) is a core technique in Bruce’s system. The ability to dissolve well is needed in all the more advanced material that comes later on.

    #134526

    Anonymous
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    What is the more advanced material?

    I would be interested to know how the Outer Dissolving Process is combined with other activities and why ?

    #134527

    Anonymous
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    In terms of this topic, I’d agree with Janak’s sharing-comments.. I found/find The Opening the Egates book quite something
    Originally I had the first edition, which is shorter- new sections were added (so more), but when I first found the first edition in a bookstore- I “unpacked” that for quite some time… much re-reading, working with, to get.. after yrs of seeking chi- reading about it- learning growing up… (and since still- I haven’t found another that expresses any EnergyArts practices, that are accessible in a concrete way, Taoist or not.. ( and I do use EnergyArts in the descriptive sense, let alone this co’s name- literally)..

    Dr. & Tiger- I’m seeing more in over time (I still think, in my humble exper that Egates set is one of the more complicated, and Heaven&Earth ChiGung is “easier on each lvl.. or even G.Playing).. I’d recommend, if you haven’t- watching and “try and follow-along, the Dr&T videos by Bill Ryan (on the EArts YouTube channel, and any others by this system..) and see what from the pdf, and then either of the 2 bks…
    (the DVD, or even the OnlineCourse on Dr&Tiger, or perhaps “5 Keys” might be great-
    – I myself haven’t done/seen either of those online courses (by Bill R. or Paul C. respectively).. but the sets/material, and those instructors I can see/share value of)..

    – just realize, in my exper, the key in this- is that so much sounds like other teachers words.. but I found keys in this which open and expand over time much greater depths/access than just the teachings- so many ideas, you learn, and my “rego over it” to try and get it, but beyond decyphering their words.. the concept it… get that, then need learn something further…
    This material (from Bruce’s teachings specifically), rego over, having practiced and embodied… opens-up/changes your Phy&Mind.. so new context to work that “same material” which reacts-upon-you differently… etc.. cycle again – As well as so many things in the material I first read, let alone was shown by instructors in person directly, I understand now so difererenly, which I couldn’t have before …

    (ala the 16 neigung components, as well as what it means to “stand”.. or “allow E to descend. etc.”…
    Like: just reach fwd while rotating the arm (“turning” not even twisting).. seems like the Wu Shu I learned.. but really isn’t, what does that really entail and imply- I’m still getting
    (and what it means to work from, (or follow- different), the subcon mind… and/or to Act from the Depths of Being, not from conditioned-response thoughts of conscious thought… that drive behind reaching changes- so even if the Outward-Movements seem the same… what is that…
    ====
    to address “ride forever” ‘s pt.. one access to Adv Material.. think of Outer Dissolve (which is first accessed through “resulting sink” ie Outer-D. being just the slightly softening-release-melt of some “ICE”/blockage… with that Slight-Release, it then might- start to move down (with gravity?)… or it could more release .. etc.
    I.e. If a chunk of ice was frozen to a wall, it wouldn’t “sink” as it is frozen-solid-stuck… it could melt-release “a bit” . or staying there it might release more.. etc.. That dynamic has a certain-essence behind all its aspects..

    That dynamic (the different aspects of a NeiGung Component), then one can work upon a different NeiGung Component (of the 16- listed in his books, as well as somewhere on this website)… then- after can “Do one” and “another” a bit (let alone like_move your left-pointer finger.. .you think and just do it.. “how- what is the method?” good question if learning a new skill, or even injury-rehab… paralyzed? .. but once can.. just move that finger… then can more that Left thumb…
    Can move Left Thumb and Left Pointer-Finger simul? (not Coordinated at this point, just at the same time… then integrated… then no longer- two together…) – in other words, those “Two Fingers” each rep one of the Neigung components (yet before try and conceive of a NeiGung Component.. just a particular aspect…. ie..
    Say turn your Forearm (palm up to down, and reverse or either reach or retract… different combos of movement).. more “connections” activate… more components can go into this “simple movement”…. (let alone the more complex from chigung sets, say actually morphing as a wave-whorl feeling of the CloudHands) – OuterDissolve is a component like the others… as is Breathing (which is not simple sniff- sigh, or even push the gut,)

    A key I’ve found (hope this isnt too long, thoughts of what I’ve told/coached my-self) is that Water-Method Taoist training, have movement-sections whatever.. that one can’t-really-do as you are.. so doing them, changes you…..

    Other systems- teach one “lvl” one have done that (and you can do- in your current config, so it is a matter, no not like that, like this- ah got it… might be difficult.. but makes-sense… ie a one-arm pushup, or even a one-handed handstand balance, is “difficult” (nay imposs :)? for most, but it is essentially, reaching a palm up and lining up your spine/legs under (upside-down).. so can do the move.. just not its application…..

    Doing dissolving “doesn’t make sense” as it is outside-the-box… one’s Energy-Mind can’t do it, in the sense that a distinctly different Kind of Material (organization, as well as Function).. which the prelim-working with changes you… as you change caterpillar can learn to fly (changing in chrysalis triggered-by? that attempt to fly– caterpillar couldn’t have, but butterfly or moth can… ok reaching metaphor but…) So doing the same practice, is the same, instructions over time– but isn’t the same, as it means something different, not that if it had be fully-shared one could “do-it” day one..
    more complicated integrations, or more subtle layers involved and integ.. (ie a BaguaZhang step, vs Heaven&Earth ChiGung.. the first seems to have less in it, but has all of the second.. and more- and the latter is Symmetrical, vs complicated-coordination in flow..
    just as some Adv ex I can think of (I’m just learning this- so more adv material than I’ve seen.. but imagine what Any NeiGung

    say Turning/twisting, or Dissolving /Sinking….

    Done with a larger phy motion (say an arm reach/waving motion), vs in larger phy not moving (arm held “still” but with movement in-place)..
    then under the surface- involving subtle components…
    then doing the same components (what Turn & Twist mean) but not Phy, but within Energy (not it circles if seen-visually in space.. but in the E terms directly)…
    then a Shape-Form in one of the Ebodies.. affecting (and affected by Phy, in you, and in your enviro),
    _____________
    still ‘just’ Turn.. but what is that? (contact with that underlying NeiGung component (essence-freq of that dynamic).. how it shows up in different aspects.. etc. All contacted and reached via “first do separate.. and then combine” (or have one “sort-of” .. practice it becomes more I-got-it… then devel a Second ‘sort-of’…. eventually do One paying attention to it, while do the Second in the background (carefully placing feet, while “walking & chewing gum” at the same time- ala that saying)…. then pay-attn to the Second while doing the First in the background – etc…

    They interrelate? re-reflect (Back to the drawing-board) what is the essence of this piece (or ‘that’ piece)..? refeed in (the spiral going around the circle… reexper for the first time,,, not just AHA, but that new layer trickles all the related else- etc.)

    ugh i hope I haven’t seemed to rambly to any/all of the cert-instructors on this Forum :) let alone any reading this… (also some other comments about specific EArts info products- I commented upon in some other comments recently, like related to E-channels, Int’l organs in chi gung..e tc.) best of luck to all who read this, in your practice (s)- have fun

    #134528

    Anonymous
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    Hello Gary. Thank you for writing.

    I did not understand your English very well.

    You seem to be saying some interesting things, but I just couldn’t understand everything.

    Perhaps you can re-write or write in simpler English without shortcuts so that I can read it clearly.

    thanks

    #134529

    Anonymous
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    Hello ride forever, just thinking back on some prior msgs, and wondered if you were able to practice and look at this material further..

    (when I read your response that the comment I wrote wasn’t easy to read through, it reminded me of how I had to write out and re-format/re-write descriptions of what I was learning, as the words aren’t the issue.. its the feeling-experiencing.. and actually feeling-connections require a new context.. so that is what I had to do..)

    so I’m not sure if was an issue of language, just that I wasn’t as explicit, as it would have been 5-6times longer (long already, not long for a book chapter, but for a web-post).. and even explicit, each point relating to each other-points
    [so the 16 pt neigung components, “adv material” are the relation/combinations of the separately-learned building blocks.. in the same way as the separate points mentioned are related/combined… etc. :) anyway- not sure if it was worth the effort or seemed interesting, or if you have made your own discoveries by your practice.. good luck either way.]

    I feel the conceptual-context (beyond learning “to Do”) is something that is really downloaded ‘into’ us, rather than just spoken (as to think it in the same way we understand other ideas is confusing, as it requires, I think, I different “mind”space.. to ‘get-it’).

    I hope this might not be more confusing, but add something- luck

    #134530

    Anonymous
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    The DVDs does help to internalize, and training with a real teacher can help you learn on how to address your deap-seated trauma. It would be a great help indeed if you incorporate Janak’s suggestion of the Inner Dissolving and perhaps you can do it on your own, without the help of a teacher. Best of luck!

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