Kundalini and Chi

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Michael MacLeod
Last: 19 weeks 3 days ago
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I know that Taoism works with Chi rather than Kundalini, but what is the relationship between them? Is it possible to convert one to the other?

I ask because I was born with my Kundalini channels (mostly) open and have access to huge amounts of energy, but I can't seem to do anything useful with it other than transcend spacetime. This is not a joke; if you have not discovered this, you should know that there are types of energy that can be used for this and that and other types that do nothing, or seem to do nothing. I also have "controls" in my head that I can seemingly adjust, but I don't know what they do, except in one or two cases.

Cameron Burnett
Last: 9 weeks 2 days ago
Joined: 7 Aug 2011
It's just not called

It's just not called Kundalini in Taoism. There is energy work with the central channel which I think is the Kundalini channel, but it's typically done at a later stage since most people can't handle the enormous amount of energy straight up.

As for what you should do with it I'm unsure. It's way beyond me. You could play around with expanding and condensing out from and into the central channel rather than just raising up.

Scott Lewis
Last: 1 day 11 hours ago
Joined: 26 Nov 2011
Though known in many places,

Though known in many places, kundalini is probably best known as a yoga topic and I've seen far more level of detail about it there than anywhere else.

Chi and prana are largely considered synonymous, and in most cases are basically interchangeable. However, if one looks at the "maps of meridians and nadis it is clear that they are NOT the same thing. Related, but not the same. As someone with background in both yoga and taoist spiritual practices I would say that chi and meridians are "closer to the physical" and prana and meridians are "further from the physical." Also, chakras and dan tiens are also NOT the same thing. Dan tiens are described as reservoirs, chakras are "transformers." If I am incorrect in that statement someone please let me know. I personally fail to understand the difference between an anahata chakra and a middle dan tien, and an ajna chakra and an upper dan tien, other than to say I've felt all of them, they are in "similar areas" and reservoirs are not transformers and vice versa.

Differentiating between chi and prana, and their associated subtle energy current tracks, I would phrase your original question as "what is the relationship between prana and kundalini?" That is a question whose details are probably best left to in depth books on yoga theory, but I'll say a little.

Prana is usually divided into "5 pranas", with 5 more additional sub-pranas. None are kundalini. Most pranayama pracrices deal with the etheric body or pranamayakosha, which is not kundalini.
Kundalini is sometimes described as an "evolutionary force", sometimes as a "the universe returning to itself" impetus.

Kundalini relates to chakras, and three major yogic nadis, ida pingala and sushumna. There are various ways to raise or awaken kundalini, none are trivial. Most chi practices, especially of the water tradition, are "gentle, kundalini is definitely fire/assertive.

There are probbaly plenty of good websites about kundalini is one knows where to look.

The Bihar school of yoga has many books that I personally think highly of and their "kundalini tantra" book has better explanations for what you are asking. Swami Sivananda [deceased, guru of some bihar school of yoga people] has good material online about it, divine life society HQ should take you to their website. Gopi Krishna has a well known book on the subject, though I've not read it.

Kundalini awakening can go wrong. Looking at some of the symptoms of when it goes right is pretty "interesting." I would relate it going wrong to chi kungs "fire goes to devil" though probably more intense or worse. It tends to go wrong when people "do it before they are ready and/or without assistance or oversight.

Prana is not kundalini, kundalini is not prana, they are not directly exchangeable. One can use pranic practices to awaken kundalini, and most maintain good pranic flows less kundalini become a severe undesirable burden instead of a powerful spiritual addition or whatnot.

One can awaken chakras without kundalini activation.

Michael Phillips (not verified)
Hi , There is a lot of dogma

Hi ,
There is a lot of dogma and misinterpretation in regards to Kundalini.
Kundalini is in actual fact the sum total of all posibilities attainable through the conscious power of Chi/prana/life force. the more conscious we are to the power and force of Chi the more awake we are. So many talk about raising the Kundalini . This however has come from a specific school of tantric practice that goes straight to the source and manipulates the base of the spine and then moving progressively up towards higher and more subtle levels of energetic consciousness.
However, to be more accurate when talking about Kundalini is to rather talk about "awakening Kundalini" or becomming more conscious and aware of this infinite source of possibilities.
Energy Arts/ Daoist practices are essentially practices that awaken the Kundalini. That is , one becomes more conscious, more aware and open to the infinite posibilities of Kundalini awakening and the power of Chi.
In regards to the above question from Michael McLoed, I would like to coment on what hapens when one awakens the higher more subtle /trancendental planes of energetic(astral plane) fields.
A person can be born with an awakened awareness of subtle planes of energetic fields , however , might not be complete in development on the more materially dense planes of material manifestation. This can lead to ungroundedness and confusion, a lack of power to be effectual and puposefull. The way to correct this is through working with Chi and grounding oneself . The Taoist/energy arts are essential especially when it comes to connecting with and feeling the chi in the body ....
Hope this sheds some light
P.S. I would recomend the Qua/Tai Chee squat as an essential technique for grounding and intergrating the more subtle planes with the lower and more purposefull energetic layers of existance.

Regards
Michael Phillips

Michael MacLeod
Last: 19 weeks 3 days ago
Joined: 26 Aug 2013
My thanks to Mr. Lewis and

My thanks to Mr. Lewis and Mr. Phillips for their very useful and detailed responses. This is exactly what I was hoping for, and I thank you for taking my message seriously. Dealing with this is the primary struggle in my life and the pole around which all else rotates.

I have not gone into more detail, but I believe Mr. Phillips sees into the fundamental problem - having a huge engine that has no connection to my transmission. That is, I have this and other Yogic phenomena in my life, from past lives or God knows where, but I have not been able to integrate it into my day to day life at all. I have complicated the problem by being so frantic as to try almost anything that I thought would help, so I have activated various parts of myself out of the proper sequence and muddied the Waters, or perhaps mixed smoke into the Fire.

Antony Steir (not verified)
I would just like to add that

I would just like to add that the Kundalini power is governed by the central channel, not the ren/du meridian frequently worked on in various chi or neigongs.

It is true also that the kundalini is more concerned with nadis and prana which is a less physical than what would encounter in Taoist practices.

But it is important to be fully grounded before delving into kundalini aspects. If you skip the 'ground'work' you're playing with fire imo. But you can go to the kundalini straight off if you have spent time opening yourself up as per energy gates. Then its a safer bet but its not assured still. Because kundalni is involved with nadis which prana flows through and this is totally different to chi and meridians.

Majid Kevin Buell
Last: 4 weeks 22 hours ago
Joined: 1 Jun 2013
I don't normally use the

I don't normally use the forums so I happen to have noticed this topic. In 1970 I had a near death experience if you can call it that. I left my body etc. I cam back in hours later but only partially. The kundalini or thrusting channel was opened and it took many years for me to figure out the water component by trying to control the raging force up my spine. Later I read some Taoist Yoga and saw how things fitted in. Indian materials just got too complicated even though I studied with a Master of Meditation. If I was around anyone in Samadhi I would go into a bliss state that became quite painful as it raged through the nadis and my nervous system Acupuncture calmed me down. One day I felt a cooling downward flow and I saw that I had my tongue in the roof of my mouth. I had completed the Orbit circuit without knowing it. Since that time many books have come out that describe these forces. I am now a Sufi student of the Rifai or Fire Tarikat and have done a course in Tai Chi but am taking Paul's Foundations course as education is the best medicine in this stuff. My take is use nature and ground the fire in a foundational practice. Later doors open to the so called gifts some of which you may not really want but they sound exciting .

Catherine Chenoweth
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Last: 15 weeks 1 day ago
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Interesting thread! I don't

Interesting thread! I don't really have any personal experience here, but I did want to share a few lines from a text on Kundalini that, to the best of my knowledge, is from a pretty legitimate source, in case it helps. Comments welcome:

"The Sanskrit word for "energy" is actually "prana", which is much less subtle and powerful than Shakti, who is the ruler of her instrument prana...Kundalini Shakti is viewed as the combination of the fifth, subtlemost sheath and the One, from which all the sheaths emanate. This fundamental translation error has great implications and has led to much misunderstanding. It would be similar to mistranslating the terms 'gas' and 'liquid' in physics.

There are many terms for "prana", including Qi, Ki, life force (etc)...But these are not synonyms for Kundalini Shakti.

Seekers who consider Kundalini to be energy may engage in energy techniques to attempt to move this "energy" around or improve their sense of balance or clarity by clearing, opening, or balancing their chakras, Due to these methods, the person with a rising may be able to feel their energy moving. The distinction should be made that what they are feeling is fluctuations in the vayus and not Kundalini Shakti, the divine power within, which is too subtle to be felt."

Obviously another very intricate system with endless depth, much like Taoism. I've tried to learn a little more about it, even though I don't study it, because the topic of chakras/Kundalini often comes up due to their popularity in the New Age movement. Again, I don't know much about it, but at least I have a little idea of what it's not!

I think if anyone is having issues, it is of course best to seek out someone with considerable background and experience. Hope this helped some.

Jaybee (not verified)
1. Chi (Qi) is the most

1. Chi (Qi) is the most powerful energy you can feel and move around anywhere within and or beyond your body.

2. Kundalini is the fire energy of the Micro-cosmic Orbit and this can easily be activated and controlled by Chi practitioners.

3. Prana is the spirit or breathing or oxygen or air inside your body.

Hope this helps :D

David Moore
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Last: 14 weeks 5 days ago
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
Hi, Kundalini is safe if one

Hi,
Kundalini is safe if one follows a experienced teacher. I follow the path of Kundalini Maha Yoga and received shaktipat (awakening of Kundalini) in 2005. It is a safe path if one follows correct teachings. Meditatation is a must to safely open the channels.
L&L
Dave

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