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  • #128354

    Anonymous
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    Hello Everyone,
    Having just gone through the Hsing-I Chuan DVDs and summarised them, I have reviewed my notes and I’m still wondering when doing the Santi Posture, what is the correct / optimal weight distribution on both legs?
    Thanks for any advice.
    Bruce

    #131449

    Anonymous
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    Bruce I believe the answer lies in the conditions in witch you are practicing. How tall are you? what are you practicing for? what system of xing yi do you do? ect… If you adhere to the principles and strive towards getting better than the ideal should reveal itself. Right?

    #131450

    Anonymous
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    San Ti is 100% on the back leg. 0% on the front.
    You can change that if you are injured or in pain, but that’s the eventual goal and how you get the most out of San Ti

    #131451

    Anonymous
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    Jess! I was hoping you’d jump in on this one. Bruce, just for your information, Jess is one of the guys on the Hsing-I DVD’s and has practiced many an hour of 100% back weighted San Ti. Hope all is well with you and yours, Bro.

    #131452

    Anonymous
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    For sure bro, miss seeing you this summer. Hope you are getting time to train and if you hit the west coast you know where to find me!!
    HOpefully we get BKF to teach Thunder Palm next year, that one should be a fun one.
    J

    #131453

    Anonymous
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    Great question!! Was wondering the same! Also, does the weight shift 100% to the left and right with the initial movements?

    #131454

    Anonymous
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    Thanks for the response, Jess. I am curious about how 100% is implied. My understanding is that 100% means the free leg can move and be lifted WITHOUT the head so much as moving a centimeter.

    By this definition, I am not sure how anyone could hold the position longer than 5-10 minutes. So I ask if this is also how you measure 100% AND is it possible to work up to 20 minutes, or even an hour on one leg like this?

    And of course, the time limits I state imply no movement or switching whatsoever. So what is achievable by most mortals?

    Thanks in advance for the response

    #131455

    Anonymous
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    I’m also curious as to how 100% back leg is defined.

    When I think 100% back weighted, I’m thinking like a cat stance in karate. So that if you wanted to lift your front leg, you could do so without shifting any of your weight at all. Also, if someone (say, like your instructor, as happened in my karate days) came by and swept your front leg out of the way, it wouldn’t disturb your stance or posture at all.

    So far, when I step out into Santi, there is weight going to my front leg, but then I sink back so I’m 100% weighted. Usually I have to reposition my legs a bit so I can get everything opened and aligned.

    But maybe I’m missing something, though?

    So any comments on that would be greatly appreciated!

    #131456

    Anonymous
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    It was mentioned in this post that weight is 100% on the back leg in San Ti, did Bruce mentioned this in the Hsing Yi DVD series?
    I reviewed the DVD’s again but i could not find Bruce talking about weight distribution.

    Steven

    #131457

    Anonymous
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    Steven,

    I think the confusion is that it doesn’t mention weight distribution
    directly. However, Bruce does indirectly discuss weight distribution
    in section 3 of Disc 4 of the Beng Chuan series as part of the
    difference the respective major branches of Hsing-I perform stances.

    Essentially, he says some schools and some schools and physically smaller use higher stances with the 100-0% weight distribution which are faster. However, other schools and larger practitioners use lower stances to use their weight.

    Draw your own conclusions.. Good luck with your training.

    Michael

    #131458

    Anonymous
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    Bruce,
    Another student of Mr. Frantzis (Dan Kleiman) confirms that the weight is 100% on the back leg. See the “5 minute San Ti Practice” video at:
    http://dankleiman.com/2012/10/29/uncovering-the-essence-of-your-form-in-4-proven-steps
    Jeff

    #131459

    Anonymous
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    Bruce has always taught 100% back weighted santi. The way he explained it to me was that the 60/40 or 70/30 stances are stronger (ie you are more stable) but the 100/0 is faster (ie you can step immediately without having to shift your weight) and it is better for your mental development.
    You can see me doing it here http://dankleiman.com/2013/10/31/training-xing-yis-five-elements-with-isaac-kamins/

    #131460

    Anonymous
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    Hey Guys! Working on relaxing my Psoas muscles so my weight can descend in to the heels. Really appreciate the detailed instructions!

    #131461

    Anonymous
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    This is very interesting. I have done mostly 90/10 and 60/40 and 50/50

    but while doing 50/50 i found i was having problems aligning my knee. as i was going for perfect waist and hip in center..

    Last night I began doing 100%
    and found that my knee found the perfect alignment without me trying to make it.

    As far as how long can one stand.
    the body will get stronger and stronger as you consistently do.
    today 2 min may be all you can handle
    but a year from now 20 min will be nothing it takes time
    and consistency

    #131462

    Anonymous
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    hi not sure if anyone uses these forums anymore and im aware this is an old thread but i saw it by chance and wanted to share my experiance of santi shi. I first started xingyi training about 4 years ago when i lived back in the UK, i didnt have a teacher so i learnt through books and through the internet. 3 years ago i moved to China (im still here now) and managed to find a local teacher who has been teaching me ever since. when i first started learning santi (on my own) my body weight was 60/40 it was comfortable and i felt speed etc was no problem from this stance. My teacher has learnt xing yi since he was 6 hes now in his 60s, the way he was taught and teaches is 50/50 as it will help you root into the ground and wont be easily knocked back as you would in 100/0 or 60/40 etc. But as it has been mentioned it depends what your training to achieve? theres lots of stances in xingyi that need different weight distribution in the forms but most teachers will tell you if you follow the requirements of xing yi your body weight will find the correct distribution. its alot easier to show rather than to write maybe if people are interested i can try post some photos with better explinations

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