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    Month 7

    Weeks 1 and 2 (the physical side of side breathing into liver)

    1. Breath and review all previous ideas using 3 sets of 8 breaths
    2. Presence and Awareness Training—upper side of torso breathing to physically activate the energy of the liver—use 3 sets of 9 breaths
    3. Both the physical and emotional elements of the liver are equally important
    4. Location of the liver—starts under arm pits and continues downward toward bottom of ribs, then wraps forward under ribs and below diaphragm, a bit past the body’s midline.
    5. tap, massage the liver (up, down, right to left, circles, clockwise and counterclockwise)
    6. 100 different sensations of a stuck liver, tightness
    7. Focus awareness deeper into your body
    8. Notice how your liver feels when you breath into it.
    9. Maintain your presence and your awareness and reduce your distraction
    10. “Find more space” (drop your shoulders, use breathing into midriff without flexing your chest to lift the diaphragm and thereby create more space to within which the liver can most freely move.)
    11. With each inhale and exhale be aware of the entire front of body (face to feet)

    Weeks 3 and 4 (the emotional aspects of side breathing into liver)

    1. Review everything using 3 sets of 9 “ever relaxing” breaths. Continue to breathe into belly, midriffs, and liver.
    2. Breathe into your liver. Understand and own your anger and your frustration and then you can let go of it.
    3. What is happening now at this very moment? Right now. Breathe into your liver. Feel it and recognize what appears to be floating in your mind.
    4. Get a baseline for how your mind and liver are doing and then find something that gets you angry. How does your liver and mind react? Anger is very deceptive and can fool you into thinking it has gone away when it hasn’t. Denial is a powerful demon and is always in the background. Have the ability to stay with it until it is actually gone.

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    ………hi all, especially those whove started month 7. I’ve been thinking about the liver movement activities. My understanding is that abdominal breathing naturally causes significant movement of the liver. On inhalation the contracting diaphagm pushes the liver downward so that it’s lower margins projects below the level of the rib cage, returning upward on exhalation when the diaphagm relaxes. Should we match the vertical elements of the instructed massage and body movements to this natural vertical movement caused by diaphagmatic breathing (i.e., circle downwards on the inbreath and upwards on the outbreath)? Otherwise the vertical elements of our massage and body movements will be opposite to the movement of the liver as it moves up and down with the diaphragm (giving a more intense squishing around of the liver tissue). Does it really matter? If the key aim is to be aware and sensitive to the liver, its location range of movement, then movement is movement whether co-ordinated or not. Perhaps I’m thinking too much!

    #131343

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    As I put into the month 5 discussion overviewing month 5 to 7 belly breathing alone is not doing the job of liver breathing.

    You need belly rolls stressing not only the abdomen but also the chest for giving the liver more space. Youtube has sufficient learning materials and instructors should tell what could be used.

    Joan should add belly rolls. The belly dancers surely get a special breathing effect into the chest. The liver is the female longvity organ, the male one are the kidneys.

    As longvity breathing moves also in its midriff breathing the kidney region backwards for giving them more space belly rolls presumably touch also this element.

    Instructors at the front for more instructions of belly rolls!

    Axel

    #131344

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    OK, I checked again how to treat the belly rolls mentioned for the standing part, but appliable for the movements combined with the liver breath in the sitting meditation, in the outline.

    I took it for getting more space for the liver seeing the usage of the unmoved chest of belly dancers in a side view as a fourth part with the three in the abdomen.

    Bruce itself sees such movements of all sorts more as an expression of the quality of the liver being responsible for the muscles in the body inducing this liver action by using the liver as pivot point for all movements made,

    This way it is more an own point as the 12th one.

    Axel

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    While attempting to recognize anger in the liver and focusing there, one of our cats entered my space looking for attention. I actually felt a flash of sensation in my liver at my frustration with this interruption. Do I have to thank the cat?

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    For something that seems so simple, I find the belly rolls difficult to perform.

    #131347

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    I’m finding that much of my anger is directed at myself. Frustration with myself and my actions or in-actions. The liver work is physical, with penetration into the electro-chemical and nervous system functions ever deeper a slow unwinding. Is part of the letting go and dissolving forgiveness? Or by dissolving are we forgiven?

    How large can a blockage be? If an entire organ is blocked it would cease to function?

    #131348

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    Hi, Ted. These are pretty deep questions that I don’t have the answer to. I know that Bruce has mentioned in many different seminars that it’s possible to dissolve the internal organs. I’m not there yet. Is dissolving related to forgiveness? I think so in the sense that dissolving the frustrations and anger we feel must be part of the process of forgiveness. My understanding of blockages is that their size is difficult to gauge since they are all related to other blockages. Again, I defer to others more experienced to answer that question. If an organ is physical blocked then it would obviously cease to function. I’m not sure how much energetic and emotional blockages damage an organ or cause it to function less efficiently.

    I also have found that a lot of my anger is subliminated and manifests as frustration. I’m surprised at how much frustration I’ve discovered inside that’s just below the surface. I think, for me, some of this sometimes manifests as a kind of emotional darkness that seems to be a precursor to depression and other negative emotional states that are directed towards myself.

    This stuff gets pretty deep and I find myself debating how much of this to discuss in these forums. I don’t want to bore people or come off as a know-it-all, but I do think sharing in a community like this is important, and I figure that everyone is discerning enough to take things in perspective.

    Good luck to all with these practices.

    #131349

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    This month like the last month showing my loss of concentration as said by bad posture of the spine was very convincing in its effects.

    I never felt itches like now all over the body obviously by this breathing and also some reactions in the eyes. Determination and ability to act increased.

    The different levels of this exercise from loudly acting, gross and more subtle levels breaking the unability to be aware of anger and frustation as twin brothers is aptly described and shown but a remaining task really to feel these kevels.

    Axel

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    Hi Matthew. Thank you for your honesty. I have similar experiences with sublimated anger. I don’t think you come off as a know it all. This is deep inward practice and I don’t see how we can avoid some complex discussions. I can’t believe Month 8 is already here.

    #131351

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    Axel. The twin brothers of frustration and anger. I do like how you put things. I feel that I still have much Month 7 work left but on to Month 8.

    #131352

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    …thanks all, in addition to following these threads, I’ve found it helpful to listen to Bruce’s other audio content covering anger and frustration and related topics (particularly Songs of the Tao and Tao of Letting Go), either during my qigong practice or during separate meditation sessions. Although I feel I could spend a lot more time developing my sensitivity and intuitive understanding around month 7 topics, and onward with month 8!

    Does anyone know if Bruce will extend the programme beyond the 8 months already recorded?

    #131353

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    Hi, Colin. When I was at a seminar here in Boston with Bruce he mentioned that 8 months were all he’d recorded at that point. I went back and looked at the original email announcing the Meditation Circle and the membership I paid for covers 16 months. Bruce mentioned casually that he was still in the process of creating content for the Circle. I’m really hoping there will be another 8 months or more. I’m finding this practice really powerful and helpful. I will go back to Inner Dissolving once I’m through this stuff.

    #131354

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    I am happy that month 8 arrived. It reduces my itches and shows a far better spleen condition as I expected. But liver is still a mess and further on in play with the bridge of the pancreas in common breathing of both as the gan organ as the chinese call it not always differentiating both, spleen and liver.

    All reason for closely looking this assemblage in google pictures with the many interconnections.

    So Tibetan and chinese medicine in the question where the yang firing place is presumably divide the pancreas Bruce advices to study in its tail connected with the gallbladder as the Chinese and also Western alchemical firing place of gall liquid for fats in the duodenum, The Tibetans take its head connected with the firing sugar and insulin business.

    Presumably with the next month the analysis of the liver will become easier by this broader context. So my first also fiery impressions basing also on my courses in Tibetan medicine and such experience.

    The healing sounds of Mantak Chia see the pancreas with the spleen as the yin meridian connected with the yan meridian of the stomach. This master thinks that the chinese do not know the pancreas. This is not the case as the Tibetan medicine in the above very specisalized discussion shows.As Tibetan medicine combines also Indian and chinese medicine their understanding of the pancreas may be Indian and ayurvedic.

    Sorry histology was impressive seeing the pictures allowing to understand more also in a practical meditatve sense how to treat the pancreas by the learnt theories..

    Axel

    #131355

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    …………………..thanks Matthew – presumably we’ll here from Thomas or someone else at Energy Arts in due course!

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