Astral Projection

The above seemed to be getting long, so I thought I’d not go into else- but once I posted the above, another thought thrust itself up to be added. Many may look at “1st energy body” as what we seem to see and feel around us, and 3rd energy body as “what I sense as feelings (thus astral? or just part of thoughts?) 4th energy body as thoughts being “talking we do inside our thoughts-mind”- choices stories, etc.
I think it is more like an antennae system that is receiving multiple incoming datastreams at once- on different “data-pipes” per bandwidth… like how fiber-optics can have many layers of data in the same fibers simul each in a different wavelength (color of light)… imagine (this all is a metaphor) ea Ebody as bandwidth “color”… and most cases incoming info is received via one or more- and assembled and then “represented” in mind… thus one could sense via psychic body- but then change that into “mental-pictures” of a Virtual-reality type dream-imagining.. the “data-contact” being distinct from the energy flowing on each Ebody level…
Thus likewise Sensing something in general on the Emotional Ebody (3rd) can be represented via images or thought-symbols (more so in “fire-method” and explicitly in most OBE writings) either in ways very easy to immerse into (“life-like”) or more different ie symbol laden, so more dreamlike and like “immersive… but both of those are not the Ebody energies themselves, but indirect representations of [and if sensing not “something in general” but finer-distinctions- multiple senses, and different Ebodies at once- like an Artist, or a Detective (ala Sherlock Holmes, or H. Lecter) seeing-interpreting more than others would see… ~wilderness tracker…

So just as many first contact “Chi-Chi” (to quote B. Ryan) indirectly through symbols.. eventually you know it directly (just as if someone you know walks up “behind you” you may hear them, or smell their scent , they may call out to you, or you might expect them about “now” per sched… all indirect ways of sensing one.. but directly perceive them… a bit different- more certain, but how define that difference? -chi the same way- come to sense it directly… (and then diff ebodys likewise… and after that- learn to sense what those bodies are sensing.. thus the Water method aspect… key point being first to have the first 3 steady and stable- as jolts and shifts in the (phy, chi, emots) each can be triggered and likewise triggers others and cover over, be confused as, as well as distort, more subtle senses..
ie look at something very small visually (fine-print, complicated detail), or trying to hear a “voice” layered within a piece of music- first want to not have other distractions (lights in room flashing, others talking and trying to catch your attention- even upset stomach.. pounding headache).. if ongoing distraction- one thing, but jolt can get triggered as you seek deeper (like how in meditation one can “jump or twitch” – like looking/listening as above while balancing on a unicycle
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so above contexts a bit my understanding per some of Bruce’s comments- and you can tie that to your last aspect about the “space one is operating in” while inner dissolving (on the psychic body level) being like astral projection- my sense if one is feeling into and working in the chi body, that doesn’t correspond 1to1 to space-locations (there are pts that correspond to physical-body and enviro of course, but between those pts, and many more pts aren’t in this phy… each Ebody layer subtler stacks on that)… the psychic being like movement down deep below the “surface of the water in the river which float and swim the structures of the mental body- which more than “thoughts” are those structures that interact and we interp as throughs… what is in the water around and between- moving those “fish”.. that moves that water itself such that such a “river” is the surface of the psychic body… (to try and describe..) if that makes sense… hard to stay sensing that level- easy to be distracted and lose the contact.. and movement in other layers can disrupt….
(can one OBE or Astral project, while not that deep? depending upon definition, I’d say more writings about that subject aren’t referring to that kind of Water-Trad work. I hope that adds something (hard to try and reach for my understanding on this, I found as I wrote)

Hello Cameron B, Cool, thx for mentioning, good to hear it was of interest to someone- all that writing..

just a note in addition- he did mention in the past about the Taoist Priest training he went through (7yrs intensive) involving such travelling and experiences of being over cities and seeing things… etc. But the Tao-Priest training was Fire-Method, thus distinct from the question on Water-Method perspective on this…

I Find the Sex-Meditation book has alot of implications buried in it, in the last third in particular, but even in the first (contacting the essence of Yin-Yang, and of WuHsing/FiveElements, as two realizations beyond the anthro-context.. let alone the sections about SideChannels (Left&Right) as well as Central Channel work.. both of those relate to this topic (although not as explicitly as may seem).

Great to know another that puzzles with this work as I do- best wishes gb