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I think I speak for everyone when I say we found the online Bagua training videos very helpful. Would it be possible to post videos of Bruce performing each palm change in his system? After all, this is the Bagua Mastery Program.
I don’t think we have any video of Bruce performing the Double-palm change or the Wind palm change from start to finish. I could be mistaken, but I think we only have each performed in detailed segments.
I know there are only a few of us following the forum, but it would be helpful if you could post a reply and let the Energy Arts staff know that you would be interested in having these for future reference.
Would be very interested to see them as well
I would find that greatly helpful as well
Thanks James for raising it. Definitely interested.
Would much appreciate the video(s)!
I put in my vote. Videos of the wind and double palm change or any other changes being performed would be great.
Hey,
I’ve been so busy just getting a hold on mud-walking that I’ve missed any on-line videos.
Where are they?
go to “groups” then bagua/BMP. they are linked from there, near the upper right corner of the screen as I recall. Theyve been there for a few months now, maybe longer.
A great idea.
Thanks for mentioning that. I have been wishing I could find more detailed info to watch about the double and the wind palm change.
Jennifer Gardiner
bagua mastery program participant
Howdy folks, I haven’t been here for awhile, but the Hsing i program got me interested again.
Anyhoo here’s Senior pracitioner Paul Cavel doing a couple of the palm changes on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTywmNsFc5c
I also miss this . There is quite a lack of showing how the palms are linked to each other , showing them fluently done in one continous set.
This is called the mastery programm and there’s lots of information- no doubt.
The problem is : all is broken down to tiny pieces – there’s nothing wrong with that. But at the end all this should compose a picture. The picture to me is all the movements fluently performed in one video/applications/whatsoever. But it never shows up.
Hi,
I could not agree more. Fortunately the exercices up to the Single Palm Change have been posted online and Energy Arts seems to include follow along videos in the new products right from the beginning (e.g. the Hsing-I Mastery Program). Nonetheless it would be nice to have a video demonstration of the Double Palm Change and the Wind Palm Change as part of the Bagua Mastery Program.
I unterstand that Bruce is reluctant to demonstrate other Palms but the Double and Wind Palm Change are already part of the Bagua Mastery Program.
A lot of people are asking about a demonstration of the Palm Changes for a long time, it is somewhat strange that there seems to be no reaction on the part of Energy Arts so far.
Probably not gonna happen. I’ve done all the Ba Gua classes with BKF and he’s not interested in performing for anyone’s amusement.
In Chinese martial arts culture it’s simply not done. I’ve learned whole long tai chi forms from teachers without ever seeing them do the whole form. It’s part of the CMA society.
If your teacher practices alongside you, that’s lucky for you. But old fashioned guys like Kumar are never gonna do it, in person or especially on-line. It seems strange to us in a “show me” culture where everything is out in the open but this goes a long ways back in Chinese martial arts. It’s the senior students job to show the palm changes to the junior students, and the master teaches the details.
Plus he literally teaches each form differently every time he teaches it, I’ve learned Wind Palm from him 3 or 4 different ways at this point, and he never teaches it the same twice. When it comes to Ba Gua, particularly the composite forms created by him and Liu Hung Chieh, there is no one right way to do them, only principles that can be expressed in a variety of ways.
I personally found the videos posted online of the heaven and water palm changes to be a helpful addition. I am not requesting the other two – wind and earth – to be demonstrated, by Bruce or a student, for mere amusement.
My request for additional videos addresses a shortfall of the program. The books and videos are loaded with so much detail, which is helpful, yet so much so that we never get to see – meaning understand – the overall sense of the specific palm change. A picture is worth a thousand words and video is worth a thousand pictures.
For instance, if I were to hear one of Bach’s songs only in sections I would never get a feel for the song. I would miss the landscape for the trees. And, trying to putting it together just from the sections would be a cut and paste job. Good performances have no seams. And, that is what students want to understand: how does a seamless wind palm or earth palm look so that we can get the feel for the palm change. It may be just one interpretation of the thing, yet what isn’t in life?
Details are what prevents something from becoming sloppy. The feel of something does not come from the details, but from comprehending it all together. It is what we mean when we say we get the ‘sense’ of the thing or skill. If that is only supposed to come from words alone and not demonstration then it is a failure of communication.
hello jess,
that is not really convincing to me. First no one has asked anyone “performing for anyone’s amusement”.
It’s still about learning, grasp the whole picture, get an idea of the movements seeing them well performed as a whole form – at least to the ones who show deeper interest (in this group I count those who bought BMP).
With your point BKF is an “old fashioned guy” ,refering to his teaching methods , I get a little lost.
How “old fashioned” is teaching via Internet, releasing several “mastery programs”, DVD’s/CD’s and selling them via WWW at all? Bruce is pointing out every now and than that he feels a great importance to pass his knowledge on, without “holding anything back” . This, according to him, is all the more important, as the traditional way of passing on the (whole) knowledge only to a few disciples is no longer possible – or better not sufficient – to keep the “linage alive”. The second point is, that he already has performed some whole forms (wu short form) on DVD. So why not the bagua forms?
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