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In the movements of Gods, do you curve the spine in a C-curve as in Marriage of Heaven & Earth, or do you only bend the knees and kwa whilst keeping the spine straight?
Hi Ian,
in H&E the C curve is not balanced equally between the top and bottom halves of the spine. At the instructor training 2 years ago Bruce taught a variation where the upper spine curves more than the lower spine. The first movement uses a 2:1 ratio and the second movement uses something more like a 4:1 ratio. He has taught it differently in the past.
The C curve in Gods is a balanced C curve, as it is done in Bend the Bow. If you are standing straight and you do the C curve from Bend the Bow/Gods then your head should not move forward. The middle of your spine bows backwards while your pelvis and head rotate forwards – thus creating the C.
You can experiment with this by getting on your hands and knees and trying to move from the middle of your spine while keeping length. That will give you a good idea of what you are after.
You might get some bending of the knees but it really depends on what level you are working at inside your body. When you add opening and closing of joints and cavities or ligament work then there might be some bending.
Your legs should be completely relaxed throughout the movement with a sense of threading from you torso to the bottoms of your feet.
Trevor
Greetings,
Could someone please list the movements in gods that include the c-curve?
Thanks,
Kevin
As I understand, the slight C-curve is like the pulsations in all the jts and all the pocket-cavities of the body… thus is it involved in “all the movements” (how and in which way are the details)
thus a more ‘slight’- just as the C-Curve can be obvious .. good for loosening and mobility, but doesn’t involve the pulsation of & between the disks and structure of the spine).. -the C-curve can (eventually) be slight..and thus the similar pulsation to the open-closes throughout the body (first separate and then combine… and become softer and more even as they start to reinforce each other- at first they won’t interact, so will be each alone).
G.Playing set (amongst all of them- but the others also) is tricky when you say- how is XYZ done (in terms of an Int’l component) as the implication is “to do it right” ie to do it perfectly? – as one adds more components over time, integrates more and deeper, and as more are added, they combine in different ways (as above mentioned: they start to harmonically-reinforce)..
So asking when-how is the C-curve involved (which implies the spine and all its structure- thus “how is the Spinal structure and spinal-energies involved in G.Playing movements…?” -which changes as one is frees-up and learns.
I hope something in above might help whoever reads this.
Thanks Taokua for the detailed reply.
So I take it from your message that Yes, all forward bending squats include the c-spine bend. Whether it is shallow or deep depends on the movement and ability.
Thanks a lot!
Kevin
Another kwa / opening & closing question.
In Movement 5 Bruce mentions opening and closings and that the kwa is to open and close but without moving forward. He also mentions the pelvic tuck in executing the movement. This leads me to believe that during the closing portion of the movement the pelvis tilts up (toward the shoulders)
And during the opening portion the pelvis tilts down (but not back). Is this correct?Thanks
Kev
hey there (your welcome for the reply- glad you got something from it
I wouldn’t try to tie it to “fwd bending” -as you next comment seems to also try to link (thus the pelvic tipping angle… which I sense you are interpreting more of a dis-alignment within the torso)
– thus was my point of trying to reference the “int’l aspect” of open-close of jts/pockets of body.. as a reference to the type of movement in the spine..
so perhaps my comment wasn’t clear after all, as if seemed you interpreted my post above to mean fwd-lean/c-curve = the rolling-arch of the spine, which is what I was trying to contrast against…. so i.e. I was attempting to write (my exper/opine) that the C-curve does Not mean that… [but there are many steps towards what that could mean, so to build towards that…]as for ex the last couple of movements (those that sort of looking like swimming movements/arm-circling… either palms rising in the middle then over top and down on the outside.. or reverse- palms sink down the central-front line of the torso, and then rise up outside… in those 2 moves there is no fwd-lean but those have the greatest “pulse” (the prior ‘earlier’ moves buildup the movement ~ warmup to be able to do more with less movement).. so is the relation of the C-curve, jts/pockets pulsing (again, my prior post referencing that “pulsing” can be done without, or at least very-little, skeletal “bend”/folding)… all of the compression/release-rebound is “in the torso” so it isn’t a matter of like a rubber-eraser bending back and forth of the spine-torso (as if a fwd-lean)- not, rather imagine a water balloon that is bouncing a bit- it gets a bit larger and a bit smaller as the rubber stretches and water sloshes… in torso (and limbs-neck)… that is what the C-Curve does, as one loosen-integrates… thus there is in all the movements (to the degree that one can).
not the c-curve is done in seated-meditation… and that doesn’t mean one is rolling-rocking the pelvis as if in a rocking-chair via one’s hips flexing under the spine.. as that would break the spine to hips (and contrarily the spine to scapula and neck into skull).. but the same C-Curve and open-close happens seated (not in the same outward expression- as the NeiGung uses this int’l movement to drive: power and motivate/direct the limbs via armpits and hip/kwa “gates”… like a bag of snakes)
but again- how it is done, when?
as Bruce shows many different aspects and degrees of integration and incorporation.. so there is a range, and it depends upon developing the foundation…it seems your real question is a confusion of what these fluxes (c-curve as Bend the Bow, vs spinal- ala EGates, vs KAI-HE/open-close vs the larger torso limbs movement).. ie how are each done differently, before they are all assembled together.. (just my thought)
– so perhaps more what is the C-curve? (separated from the GPlaying movements, then the question of I get the C-curve, now how to layer it in.. and just like “Twisting” in each of the movements of GPlaying- there are many layers of complexity)
luck
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