Is the first movement of the old yang style form similar to cloud hands?

Hello there, Yaroslav.. just my “two-sense” as Bruce has mentioned previously there are a number of movements called “Cloud Hands”
(in different TaiChi systems… and even in ChiGung sets, non-taichi.. there are 200 distinct movements called that, he mentioned seeing- beyond even ‘variations”..

in the first Training Circle there was some discussion about what that name means/implies).. so it would depend.. but the CloudHands can have a look like that (or perhaps better,some of the characteristics of “cloud hands” are in that first movement..
but the underlying arms&legs moving like clouds and Expanding / Contracting from the center while floating and morphing/changing shape (in terms of one’s energetic form/coming-from) don’t really seem to be there…

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I’m not sure, but guessing- many of the YouTube Videos out there (that I’ve seen most often) seem to be showing a movement that is always moving the other ‘rotation” (Ie the right arm moving towards-center/left and “Down” and then rises up as at the Left side of waist turn (not reaching across the center to the left- just from the rotation affecting reach.. ).. and then as continue to rise- turning back to right… – the opposite rotation would be turn to the left, as the right arm is higher in the middle and then sinks as start to reverse the rotation (turning left-to-right).. -very similar- but the kinetic drive (to use that term, vs a more nebulous “energy” but the energy of the move seems more a pressing sink-an (right to left) vs as much as a centered expanding from the center (left and right simul)..

but as you right similar- especially how it absorbs into the holding ball-compression, which then reverses again.. (and again- after each of the pengs, first single arm, with the other-arm an, and then DoublePeng- prior to rollback/lu.. which is where is sort of discontinues this CloudHand like shape… but I’d say rather this first part isn’t so much like CloudHands.. but that “Part” of an aspect of CloudHands that may be recognized, is being like the RollingBall movement.. (find the EnergyArtsVideo on YouTube where Bruce shows the Bagua rolling ball.. and then see what that may reveal, as well as how that better links to the EnergyGates CloudHands … I hope this adds something.. what do you find?

Ah gotcha- as you didn’t specify (and many seem to try and read from other TaiChi or chigung systems into this one), I interpreted you meant the movement in other taichi called cloud hands… I think the movement in OldYang is actually including dynamics of the EnergyGates CloudHands (which as you mention Issac is showing in this video- I hadn’t seen this vid previously) but with more of a wave turning-push dynamic (which is quite different “for me” in the EnergyGates CloudHands, which doesn’t have that.. the Peng in right hand, and An in left side is similar though)

I actually find there is a huge-amt in the EnergyGates CloudHands (as Ive commented in other remarks on this forum).. and the circularity of it creates a vortex… which is a different shape than in is in the single-movement of the OldYang TaiChi (and further different than when the movement called “CloudHands” shows up later-on in the OldYang TaiChi… which is distinct movement… just for clarity.. if you’ve seen/are aware of that.) cheers

Hm! I would suggest that later in the three swings the arms swing more freely with inertia while in this first section movement is more controlled.

And you can spot how one arm is twisting in suggesting An. Аnd the other rises following the rotating of the waist and extending of the opposite leg. Which is quite familiar.

PS Don’t know the cloud hands in the old yang form.

The “Old” course is new. How do you know what’s ahead?))

Thanks!

Was it really Takuo who mentioned peng and an or me? Sometimes it’s hard to get through T.’s replies)