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Just to seed a thread- in case there is interest- in regards to the subject of Mastery.. What are the understandings that would help one learn these arts (or any others) beyond, and upholding underneath, the principles taught here? In other words, to learn TaiChiChuan what things should be learned first.. not so much taichi.. but learning “how-to learn”.. how to study, and how to decide what to learn.. etc..
I posted a comment on the forum in the Qigong (Chi Gung) section- with my recommends of “Mastery” (2books- of that title-, Greene and Leonard).. but what do others think? Agree or Disagree.. but even better.. Having nothing to do with my comment.. what do you think is needed??
My perspective has become how much you need to Choose which path (and thus which group to learn from.. and thereby- “you don’t get a second chance to make a ‘first impression’…” so how to make a good impression when contacting groups.. .. but if “reading on the internet” .. how judge from Videos and Article/blogs- as when you are trying to Learn.. you don’t know which expert you should listen to…so you need to have “learned” to guide yourself as you try to learn.. (or else just go with the popular/sounds good, or the first you encounter- both are random as well as subconscious-reactions driven.. vs choice.. and yet HOW CHOOSE until you have a sense of what make sense to you… (which you gain from exper.. etc.)……..
anyway- in case sparks thought- best wishes and seeking
Thanks for that post on the qigong page, too, this is really helpful.
I think the fastest path along mastery is finding what you like about the thing you pursue. That whole bit of pursuing your passion. Well, if it is something like qi practices and you aren’t too terribly inspired by it, it is about discovering what about it inspires you and always entering from there. Since humans are inherently curious, it’s just a matter of applying this curiosity to figuring out what gets your goad with qi practices.
To me, it just looks cool and you feel cool when you do it (though that is paradoxically embarrassing to say). However, I also get off on what it does and how it works on my body and mind, Bruce’s technodata. I love all of the minutia of the benefits of it, how it does this and that, I just can’t get enough of that stuff…not simply as an acquisitive thing, though I’d be lying if I didn’t say that was a part of it (spiritual greed in need of mitigation), but as something that gives me something to focus on when I’m practicing. With that punch move working the liver or apparent close-up and the spleen, I like connecting it to something in my body that I can feel; it motivates me to practice because it gives me something to look forward to. I imagine this is what Bruce is on about when he says for intermediates to see the moves as how you would be dealing with an aggressor/attacker; it helps you apply the movements to something.I liked what Leonard’s video said (which is the address under Greene’s TEDxtalk, too; you posted Leonard’s video twice [you are also most definitely right; TED talks is good stuff]) about plateaus. I can see a plateau now as a plane taking off in an imperceptibly slow way; the plateau is just gaining speed incrementally. The perception is that the progress or peak comes along out of nowhere but it comes from this accumulation along the plateau. In this way the plateau isn’t discontinuous from the peak, it is the plateau that makes the peak. Without the plateau there would be no peak. This is truly a life-raft for me. Love the plateau, just means you’re building up a peak.
Liked Greene’s TEDxtalk, I’m giving his Talks at Google a go right now.
Greene’s Talk at Google:
hey there Cody, just to respond, thanks for your note about the link mistake (I edit-fixed it in that other post- thx, oops), and thx for your interest/fdbk
Just wanted to get some ideas I wish I’d understood integrated sooner (and I think are needed in learning whatever, but espec what I’d want those I study/practice/train these arts with to know). -This could help have good/better questions asked of Bruce for ex (in a Q&A at a live-event, a question asked not only takes time, but shifts the tone and path of the discussion; Mastery issues might help that discussion-conversation, etc.Anyway- just to add the last of recent comment on that other thread to this comment- in case anyone reading this might be motivated to dive in to 4 titles (listed below), which do require rereading (a Practice of its own)…
But that’s just a theory.. or rather just my perspective. (cheer to all other seekers on this path)
– – – –the Value (and Devil
oft can be in the details. (just which details:)
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-the later two (of the below three) might require working-through but points out how often those “at the end of their journey” are seen (and we assume we could know where that is going from the start).. vs the ‘randomness’ and non-linear fdbk process….^^ So thus 3 titles (and an added fourth) recommended^^
Thus just I’d recommend,
* Greene R.’s Mastery, and
* Taleb N’s Black Swan, as well as
* Taleb N’s Antifragile — in case anyone does want to track down.(and just to finish this thought-thread, as felt I’d add the above, and finally propose another text-
* Finite and Infinite Games by James P Carse 1986)best of luck to whoever might read this post (and these books) now, or whenever in the future- cheers
luck all
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