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  • #129565

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    I have a great deal of blockages, so many that I only work on the head. If I were to do the whole body it would take 24 hours to do one pass, so I restrict things.

    I must have done 100 hours on the head, and there is lots left to do. It’s also extremely difficult to work with the blockages as they are full of traumatized energy producing many effects, mostly I cannot work systematically top down, I work blockage to blockage in any direction.

    I am asking myself if there is a different way to dissolve blockages ?

    For instance I do D&T every day for about an hour, which is very good at circulation and well being, but it is not clear to me what effect it has on deep crystallized blockages. Nor H&E, another practice I do every day.

    What is the fastest way ?
    Is there another way, perhaps a moving exercise ?
    Tai Chi ?

    To do my whole body would take a vast amount of time, many many thousands of hours.

    I also wonder whether bio-energetic shaking would be faster and easier ??

    Life is short, you see.

    Any views appreciated.

    #135713

    Anonymous
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    Hi ride,

    Yeh, I do a lot of Tai Chi.
    It takes a lot of time.
    3 hours

    I also do a complete set of acupressure almost every day–400 points takes a lot of time.
    2 hours

    D&T
    10 minutes.

    H&E
    5 minutes

    Zen meditation
    45 minutes

    Michael Winn
    30 minutes

    Bagua
    20 minutes

    Yes, it takes a lot of time.

    I teach 5 classes a week–non-profit

    But I only have one body–one life.

    In my youth I used to spend more time on my car.

    In middle age I’d spend 14 hours/day practicing law.

    In combat it is 24/7.

    Working on your own body-mind is time well spent.

    #135714

    Anonymous
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    Thanks Robert, always inspiring to hear you.

    I am doing about 5 hours a day, weekdays, 3 hrs sitting, 2 hrs Chi Kung. Also starting to work with the sleeping phase of the day also. Ideally it becomes 24 hrs and integrated into life, it is life.

    I did about 3hrs dissolving today on the right hemisphere of my head where I have many difficult blockages, in fact most of it is numb and I just can’t feel it. It works, but is arduous. I wonder if it is entities that are sucking that are stuck to my head.

    #135715

    Anonymous
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    I’d only give feedback directly to someone, depending upon their interest- so just to give something that might be of value (a viewpt to consider)…

    There is a temptation, near addiction, in our men-phy body-sense to slip into VR-thought mode which disconnects from actual working with live. –so if you feel a muscle tense, what “thoughts” or “wanting at it” makes the tension release?

    -it doesn’t work that way, the “intentional” (either conscious, or subconsciously locked) releases IF what is causing it to tense stops… or the electro-contraction in the tissue disperses — (thus the example Bruce has given, in talks, and in the books, of tense a fist.. and then feel that release…) — the Outer dissolving is likewise (not just at the “tension” of contractile muscle lvl.. but same principle- even the holding in chi, or emotional E, etc)

    (note that that release-relax is a certain feeling let-go, that is not any other thought-willing feeling.. although a ricochet indirect method may be needed at first– think of flavor of peppermint candy, then see a butterfly, which then lets a part of your system sort of let-go.. what was that? –that instruction can be given in “pulsing” also- at first one can’t directly ‘do’ that (pulse, nor sung XYZ)… so whatever to get this unknown action to happen… over time recog- ah that….)

    ………. While trying to feel and sense what is there, that temptation (referenced at top) to zone-out, go into thinking-la-la mode (whether it is jump-around focus, or picturing, or even “feeling” .. but it is like looking out a window- and what you see “out in the yard” you right on a chalkboard/dry erase… then you focus on what you’ve written-drawn…. – vs just continuing to look out the window.. as soon as the mind-slips off contact, is just like Pushing-Hands, lose contact, and/or lose Presence.. no longer able to listen (and if like Computer-crash-lockup.. if the Mind picture of “Dissolving” draws your attention into it.. you dont’ even realize it (one’s practice) is no longer alive)

    -if try and “Make it Change, now” that loses contact (mind says it wants things to be XYZ way, and they aren’t- it will offer the fantasy-illusion ok like this.. and go off into a “lag-mode”.. even if you catch-yourself, and look back- and see no change.. “Change”… (but actually it is just another version of the same disconnection-denial (fog) reflex that is no ok with as it is (cuz it is as it is).. which is the reflex disassociation that formed the blockage in the first place.

    ….
    so just a possibility- if one is spending much time upon doing practices- how are the results one is achieving? (and either way, even if seems ok, consider, perhaps I could benefit by re-viewing what I’m doing.. perhaps I didn’t get it.. — as work with, one can continue to do that, not an all-or-nothing). [not all methods are ‘created equal’ many are based upon the distract and get the practitioner to be waiting and ready “in case”.. so indirect, vs directly.. so designed to take a while, nothing happening– I’d be careful of thinking all siting/”meditation” are part of the same.. or that all “chigungs” are part of same, but what ever works for each]

    _________________
    To quote from the Movie “Master Killer” (also titled 36 chamber, or 36th, 1978) “How many times have you read the sutras?”

    (not “have you just got the gist”, and not “have you heard ‘about’ it?”, but ‘the sutras’– and how ‘many’ times, ie # being not once, or even twice, thrice.. but how many reviews and ponders? ) [ best scene in movie- re fundamentals of KungFu learning ]

    -to be more explicit, there are the 4 conditions, and then sensing, what happens (what does “It” do, not you “do -to- it” (its part of you:) … either it shifts, a bit… or there is the point (3 mins, or 3hrs, or 3 days ____) — if the later, then be with what energy of the blockage has mixed with your awareness, and then smoothly flow towards the next.. etc.. (above, wash-rinse-repeat)

    So beyond the 4 conditions, and recognizing what feeling (if feeling, vs “exploring”) then is it changing- or does it seem to stop? (which could be the block is stuck, or your deeper being is locking down resistance to where/how it is, and/or youve disconnected)

    — so then either one is feeling a deep richness in each fraction of an inch, and continually feeling changes, and thus so much time doing a dissolving (as many begin dissolving, and can “feel” very little- which is one of the 4 conditions- if you can’t feel ‘you’- something doesn’t feel quite right? espec if you dont know what it is)…..

    and if you are able to dissolve to releasing gas, and flow outward beyond your boundary (part of the process- often it doesn’t get to this for a while).. but if so, then it resolves.. that means there is a change (that part won’t be there anymore, then, nor “tomorrow” all over again).. and the whole self feels a shift…

    anyway- that’s a viewpt, even if it is easy to understand and one isn’t off -track in one’s practice, I find looking with ‘fresh eyes’ can reveal a new perspective, and allow one to tweak one’s practice (and sense of self).

    either way luck- to any that might read this. (comments like this were posted before, and the above is in the book writings by Bruce, I wasn’t going to write out a long comment, takes a bit to be complete, and longer-comment less read, and more skimmed over, but I thought of how some might read recent comments and go further off-track, so in case this assist someone). -to the tao

    #135716

    Anonymous
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    Do the whole body…progressively work your way down. Do less. You don’t need to make it perfect and dissolve everything.. What’s likely happening is tension elsewhere, such as your gut, kwa, etc is creating tension that’s rebelling upwards into the head. If you focus only on the head you’ll be fighting the enemy when they invade you daily but you’ll never attack them at their base. There’s no need to be perfect. Remember the 2/3rds rule.. Maybe in your case do even less

    #135717

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Good point.
    However BKF used to do 6 hours a day.

    #135718

    Anonymous
    Guest

    I think Gafford is correct. Don;t overdo the dissolving things as it is counter-productive. the 2/3 rules apply. This is perfectly what the 2/3 rules means. I respect you for having the determination and persistence to work on your qigong and try to get whatever result that it promised to be.
    I do 1hour in the morning and half an hour in the afternoon only. Maybe I don.t have immediate physical discomfort to compel me to try harder. I find dissolving boring but I believe it is a very good practice and so I try to dissolve by scanning down my body 3 times as slowly as I can, which is only about 5 minutes. In dissolving I am doing relaxation, standing qi gong and is directly conscious of qi which is very useful in the sense that when I have trouble in future I can easily engage the qi and work better on whatever I have then.
    You must be very sensitive to be able to sense qi blockage all over the body. Memories are store in the brain as well as in the muscle and ligament. Negative memory are what gives the blockage. To remove them is a coaxing process. Like changing a bad habit, we cannot go about it too forcefully. We need good technique to change it but mostly we need persistence and regular work.

    One example of the process involved is Meditation. In meditation we may want to sit still and concentrate the mind for 2 hours. But if the mind is restless and we sit for 2 hours dreaming or busy thinking about things which keep running through the mind, Then the meditation is almost useless in term of meditation.
    If we try to sit in full concentration for the first time right from the beginning, we find that it is mostly impossible and is bound to be a failure.
    After sometime we probably ended up sitting for 2 hours, having variable success in being able to keep in concentration. It is a tuck of war between concentration and the mind running wild and we keep going on because we know we are improving and concentrating better and more as time goes on.
    In the same way, we checked that we are dissolving correctly and keep on concentrating more and more and be aware that we are improving.
    I think it is possible concentrate too hard that it becomes counter productive. It is like the blockage rebels and try to harden up.
    I will try to give my idea of relaxation which is considered as almost impossible to explain or teach and yet it is the corner stone of qiqong. Relaxation is the letting go of tension in the muscles and let the muscle let go of the built-in memory that it kept every time we want to physically do something or to move. To relax means to let go of the muscle to the minimum amount. The important things is that we stand and move because we have qi, ligaments and bones which are the main structure for the most effective movement.With this idea we will have something to work with.

    I guess concentrating on a particular blockages for about 20 mins. should be enough and to persist on concentrating might feel useless. In the book BFK say to concentrate until you feel that it is not responding and then move on to the next area. Also always move from top to bottom which is the natural flow of the cleansing qi. If you want to do more, then you should repeat after going one round. Each blockage must be clear of the body either by turning into gas and out and also go all the way under the feet and into the ground.

    For discussion, I think “ice to water to gas” is a very clearly structure process, a clear cut technique to change blockage into gas or volatile form that can be expelled. Maybe you might ended up concentrating on a spot and willing it to disappear. This becomes a case of relaxing the mind in order to concentrate and trusting your higher mind to clear the problem at hand. Strictly this is not BKF’s method. This is relaxing meditation where you might stick on for a length of time.
    Also remember that the intention must ended up in a positive note. that is, intent the qi to be there and to work and always ended with the qi clearing away the blockage. Don’t harbour thought that the blockage is difficult to remove. Start afresh every time and believe the qi will clear away the blockage.
    To say BKF work 6 hours a day is fine, but he is working professionally knowing exactly what he is doing. It is like saying a person do meditation 4 hours a day. That person must definitely knows what he is doing and not be someone knocking around thinking he is going to get some thing great.He will more likely ended up worst for his effort.
    BKF mention that he did “opening energy gate qiqonq” for a few years before he progress to doing taichi. He have a beautiful explanation saying that qigong sets are like nursery rhythm and folk song while taichl is like playing read sophisticated music, Taichi is the highest standard in beauty, and health and martial art attainment but it need not be suitable for everybody. And then to learn taichi require a minimum ability and acquiring proper technique. Qigong may be what most of us want and is sufficient. Sometime I was thinking if you spend 4-5 hours on qigong he should belong to the taichi category.
    You mention working on qigong from other school, I believe BKF have a well thought out and complete system of qigong for everybody’s need. Experimenting with other school can help us to understand and improve overall if we are not satisfy with what is available at hand in energyarts materials. Overall my take is that BKF teaching is a correct system and we should keep it as the core practice to stay correct and hence be most effective.

    All the best Ride

    #135719

    Anonymous
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    BKF was doing 6 hours a day at the Beginning of his studies. Secondly he says stay with the blockage until you feel it will go no further where you to stay with it for 5 minutes or 5 hours longer. His words.

    #135720

    Anonymous
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    Don’t know what he meant by staying for hours. However it must be quite impossible to really to do that and is not the way to do qigong by putting 100 % effort.

    I check out the ‘opening the energy gate of your body’ book and find he mean it to take it easy.
    Page126 no 4 B quote ‘Do not strain by working too hard or dwelling too long on one spot’
    and page 127. conclusion quote ‘ Do not force your chi. Taoism is the path of flowing. Do not try to push the river. If you have a block that you cannot dissolve, go around it and dissolve the rest of your body. Eventually, you will be able to dissolve it–there is absolutely no rush.

    Have a good ride.

    #135721

    Anonymous
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    All true.

    However I also remember in the audio CD of the dissolving practice BKF says that when he had his car accident lying in the hospital bed he had nothing to do but dissolve and did so 8 hours a day.

    In all this, the 70% rule, and being intense and committed, there is much to learn.

    #135722

    Anonymous
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    To the original-poster, as well as any others reading this that have worked on this.

    -How did the search go for finding a different way? -some time has passed, were the results you achieved as you wished?

    -and/or did what you found revise what was posted in various comments on this forum?

    (the Fire-make it work-method is different from the Water-method as Bruce teaches.. as long as the two aren’t confused.) Always good to reexamine/reeval one’s method, and perhaps “back to the drawing-board”

    (I just saw trailer regarding documentary about how the Traditional GungFu isn’t as “accessible” and thus not trained- at least according to some teachers. -hope to keep it alive, but delving and discovering..)

    re:
    In terms of the ‘hua’ that might-be found, like gold from dirt.. (it does take a while to find.. and yet might the Art be lost- not knowing if it is possible to really express these Arts)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997aRsGSvfU

    a clip from it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvZUFxJ3R8
    Each is for “a purpose” .(.. and what is that for each?)

    #135723

    Anonymous
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    Well the good news is that I have begun to dissolve the area on the right side of the head, finally after many attempts.

    It has been excruciatingly painful, just now I received lightning like pain straight the the right eye ball.

    Perhaps it is trauma stored there, I don’t know.

    I began this campaign a few weeks back by dissolving the inner ear, GB 20 // GB 21, GB8 and other prime points and then one day I just tunnelled al the way through which was extremely painful and slow, after that it has been a bit easier. Also I do the 3 swings a lot which seems to help and other such exercises, and also pump the 5 elements through, do a lot of shaking, and open the bridge/reg channels.

    Slow progress but progress non-the-less !!!!!!

    #135724

    Anonymous
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    SOLUTION

    Along my travels I have discovered a radically faster dissolving method that I wanted to share.

    The instructions as they stand is to wait lke a cat outside a mousehole. And this is the approach to dissolving, although some instructors now talk of letting the dissolving happen for you.

    But basically what happens when you take this adversarial approach is that you feel the disturbance very strongly … and this gives you the impression something is happening. But in fact it is a very slow approach.

    Instead it is possible to say to yourself “Soften, and flow” and saying this to yourself softening the disturbance and following it as it softens and starts moving. Actually no longer try to stay in one position or to direct the location of blockages, but to let them flow and watch where they are flowing and then dissovle there, also dissolving where tehy want to go. Soften & flow. Until they reach the edge of your body somewhere where you feel them discharge, often hands feet or head.

    This is much more Wu Wei in the spirit of Laozi, flowing with.

    Also the mantra ICE – WATER – GAS; well you see ice and water is quite a cold image isn’t it.

    I prefer to use soften or the feeling of clouds getting higher and higher like hazy light clouds … which has a warm energy that is more friendly and less adversarial.

    And what difference does all this make ?

    Well I have spent many arduous months inching my way through rock solid traumatised blockages.

    But with these new softer flowing ideas, I opened up say 1/4 of my entire body frontside in about 3 hours. Not perfectly but it’s a vast change and because it is more pleasant you can do much more.

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