Standing: energy direction once the arms are raised

Hello there- I had some thoughts (and I hope they aren’t completely off-base with your question, or with the lessons.. if I’m just making things confused please forgive and I hope any others might add and/or correct any comments-below) :
first I think often there is a confusing of separate aspects (all are aspects/facets of one thing, but are not to be blurred-together),
and second I think (my view and exper) that there is a tendency (temptation-even, a want/need) to “see” things in a visual way, and then talk-describe-model what is happening (vs just feeling-knowing from inside the action-movement-exper)

in regards to the first: there is a dropping (which is balanced by a rising), and that isn’t the same as releasing (and thus lengthening, sung) (and neither are a mechanical affect of clutching-push-pull of breathing, or internal-“holding” inside the torso.. thus the relation of how one is standing, or sitting, statically, and within that are partly-dynamic movements.. whether breathing, or the heart beating, digestion shifting in guts- etc.. not that this is explicit, but if you lock your torso and guts down (ie the fear-response ~extreme tension,stress-flinch)… that inhibits all this, but also the slight adjustments and wobbles of the auto-balancing process…
.. so letting that movement happen, while you have a stability in your “stance”-posture (ie how let it move, while overall not moving ~) then more subtly, how do you notice what your body is doing and along-with-that, there is a separate sense of the effect of gravity (so to speak).. and yet there isn’t just a “down” or you’d be a puddle of goo on the floor, so your bones and other structural-tangibility goes “up” by standing upon the floor (thus keeps you from falling “through” the floor, by being solid” or from collapsing).. but this down-up stabilizing isn’t just locking in place, but it isn’t the energetic flow either
(so a few different dynamics are being referenced, and yet if they are collapsed in to all seeming to be the same outer-aspect that could confuse and miss things?)

So top to bottom can seem different from center to periphery (thus this is the first and the second pts- both).. if you feel a “release” from spine-shoulders- arms out, that is a release (whether nerves or fluids being “circulated” etc.)- whether your arms hang down, or angle fwd, or reach up.. (if your arms are nearly straight up, still the nerves and the capillaries circulate in the same way, they don’t “flip” .. just as your leg doesn’t “change” from going down, if leg straight, to a deep-bend = the thigh can be nearly parallel the ground (~= fwd vs going down) but internal to the arms, or legs, that same flow.. (feel-exper how it does when “hang” and as change the position (grow into it), feel how-if it changes and notice (if?) your mind says, ah it is “visually” differently angled, so that must change as it seems up vs down, etc.

I don’t know if that helps or is on track.. I think this relates not just to this question (to those instructors who might feel motivated, any correction adjustment of these comments in regards to the standing-lessons), but other comments about how Inhale vs exhales, what lets-go, whether Energy rises (or is “pulled up”) or down in a alternating manner.. whether a clutching (or what seems to be a pulsing- vs “pulsing” energy-wise which is more like an electromagnet flipping polarity N to S to N.. which can affect things, but isn’t “swinging” and reversing

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I only comment this, as I’ve become convinced there are two big aspects- the feeling-movement state that reveals when we direct-perceive what is there (and progressively realize how much we automatically insert interpretations, which then limit and control our actions (and what we think are the choices), vs directly, and so much more is possible.. and secondly that the mind-state ~lvls that we think of our our “conscious persona” is actually much further down the programmed=responses, and further “upstream” part of mind can become aware and one can act (and perceive) from there.. which changes everything (if you are perceiving a shadow on the wall, that you are making with a hand-puppet, and you get caught-up and think you are that shadow.. vs realize the hand that is making the shadow, vs realizing the ‘you’ (but in pop-culture that is often thought of as the “shadow-puppet” “thinking” they are a person making then.. the shadow- on the wall can’t make that insight, that shadow-character is a result of programming..
-relation? when standing, what is happening? how is the “energy” moving in your body (arms or whatever, relative to what? (and how-who is directing it).

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lastly a vine growing down the trunk of a tree, or down a wall, — if that vine is moved so it trails sideways along the wall, or it is lifted upward.. does that change the vines directions? (what does the vine experience inside from that change of positions? -the physical position/orientation, vs the physical fluids within affected, vs electrical-nerves.. all different from “energetic”.. – the affect of change in position of each these, not the same?)

espec if one is observing the changes on your awareness-flow within that part of you, the sphere as a whole, vs focus on arms (does one have a tendency to notice a feeling, like a touch- ah that is what my Lelbow feels like, then immed transfer that to an “image-map” of the body, and feel Lwrist or Relbow.. that has a feeling, then immed transfer that to that “image-map”.. if you only indirectly-second-hand experience, its like looking at a diagram of positions of people in the room you are in.. vs exper the people around you.. but even more: the comparing positions of Lelbow and Relbow visually, but compare “Where” the feeling of X is in relation to feeling of Y part.. is there a way to say “how they are related” if only feel? or just 2 feelings?

(but only can relate “where” from visual-mapping? — simplistic, but pt of above is how many other way that relates.. what is it ‘actually’?

more than 2 cents, so a bunch of cents but just one perspective. luck

Great stuff in your reply-comment… (I too have pondered, and been a bit amazed, to think about the ‘video-on-demand’ long-distance learning possibilities.. what affects are different, but most of all, this was never even something that existed until recently– how much does that change the presentation, s and -s (advan, disadvans?) -still that bitter taste, self-pondering…

I think the trick is how to find that “edge” (just beyond where you “are” but not too-far of a stretch that the mind/nervous-system/self-story-programs, gives-up… I find it interesting to have played with looking into that, until it is now a felt-obvious thing to me.. when my “system” from “reaching-for” something to (if ‘reach’ too far that it becomes unreal), and it becomes not a possible-exper, but a concept-object… to feel that line-edge when it is like an inflated ball play with in the water, push it under and it slips out of your hands and to the surface… the deeper you push and hold it, under the water, the more the pressure to slip away and pop-to-the-top… ie going deeper in your exper, in your mind (or just staying, or returning shallow-exper).

.. I like your phrasing:
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[ having had a small amount of live training with Bruce, in a few smaller classes, then in larger groups-retreats, and even seen some video and audio recordings (later) which I was at the event it was recorded.. and there is a difference.. (let alone each time he teaches a subject, standing, or say a chi-gung set like Heaven&Earth.. each time he covers it a bit differently, emphasis, phrasing.. who knows what little way of presenting some small thing will click something big.. for who…)
-but my mention of the different “lvls of mind” . I think is key in practice as well (who is practicing and learning.? I’d say it is deeper than who we think we are.. what is that person/lvl of me, which is creating a resultant which I exper as this me that i think is practicing (wordy but..) –thinking of “martial arts” can make this more concrete, to see-think-learn a movement xyz (say it, do it), is not the same as reacting.. (speed nor flow) thus different lvls of mind (but not meaning just automatic, as a “muscle-memory” is still a memory, and not live (Memorex).. and a skill learned as “second-nature” never becomes “first nature”.. “live”

[as the question goes- are you willing to engage more fully with what is occurring, right now, as it is? -perhaps how it ‘is’ is more than what we are perceiving, might we be open to experiencing more? -and thus more possibilities are avail

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the apparent thought in your response inspires/inspired more thought and thus above response (I hope it might help), luck in your practice.. some of your comments mention that it is challenging, and I think it is like looking at those “random dot stereograms” (speckle patterns, that you can look at and suddenly see in 3d…).. doing these practices challenge and trigger our systems to find a new way of connecting and organizing one’s experience (just like seeing the dots as 3d, but changing how your eye focuses, vs just eye seeing the page-surface)…. your system will try and overrule and do it they way you know how (“I can do that already… like this…” not like that.. confusion), its holding that edge (and not letting your system stress-out/tense, nor shut-down/disconnect )

— nor that ball-globe-sphere, that you are progressively seeking/sensing “deeper below the surface” slip, and it shoots up.. and some times it might to the surface (ie slip from an experience, to an intention-reaching-for-experience.. to a concept.. and yet we don’t notice that shift.. and we think we are still going deeper.. -the slip isn’t the issue, its recognizing that.. just like the distraction, or break in concentration.. if you “Space-out”/gap-fog and either return to focus, without realizing you ever left.. or even think that is a goal an actual development (vs a shorting-out your wiring).

I just thought back upon this.. and relate to this line:

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The concept that A) there is much more going-on and possible that is apparent, and yet being ok with that, the 70% of wanting-trying to consider-see more, and yet accept the “process” (being in-it for the “long haul”) cheers…

anyone having issues, thoughts, concerns (or insights) on this? (new people, or those of experience that would be open to share with us looking to learn, seeking encouragement)? -luck all