Certification

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Nevermind

[Anonymous]

Hello James,

I think I understand you are coming-from in this; I write this from a perspective of one how has studied Bruces Material (written and video, as well as some events, although I haven’t been to one for a while), I attended a number of retreats including some Instructor Certifications, although I do not hold a certification myself, nor teach his system regularly- at this time.

In terms of once a year (which is “a certification” while a particular cert may be offered much less often, if one was seeking a particular system), and that is after one has “learned the form” (say the “Opening the Energy Gates of your Body” not just the movements, the energetic-principles, and the flow-essence of that ‘system’), then be coached/upgraded/refined by an instructor/practioner of the form.. and best to have attended a retreat or such with Bruce… and then practice that understanding to get it in your system- before going to the certification… as it builds upon that.
-many other groups seem to say that they want prior experience and that training-cert goes deeper, but it seems most others are just re-presenting the material in a cert-wkend.. while Bruce IT (instructor Trainings) go to a deeper level, let alone does one have the “wiring” (in body AND mind) to be running higher-energy day after day for a couple of weeks.. and learn… even if one practices for a couple of hours a day.. day after day… many practice a short while every few days- break in between and aren’t “stretching the envelope” of trying to understand it more/differently… )

usual a practice is known-and done.. stabilize-deepen… (so in short: to arrive already knowing it.. not the details, as “learning it incorrectly” can take time to undo, but more what does it mean to Embody… so Opening/Closing, or Twisting.. it isn’t what it seems, to feel one”do it” and have them help you feel it, the AHA.. and then practice that.. to be certified to teach/show that, is refined and amplified, but a foundation, or else can lose the oppor one has to learn..

So recently the Video courses have recordings (not need travel there, let alone be able to “rewatch”), which wasn’t avail before (still not the same, but if he starts to teach someday- where all the Lecture and “Showing/demo” is considered prereq.. no time spent in a retreat him “Saying” stuff people should have watched/learned before arriving -video/audio, even written text…. so can get down to it.. we’ll see.. but now that is avail, when before it wasn’t).. I read/re-read paragraph implications in the books, experimented and discovered when I started.. and then later heard people refer to aspects of Neigung “he hadn’t taught before”.. which was in the books, just obliquely inferred maybe once or twice.. not spelled out repeatedly.. but it is there. So:

You mention “might it make more sense to study a different system”.. it would be hard to compare (which other system? apples&oranges? how compare, do you mean as a Stepping Stone until, or instead of?).. not sure, but the idea Bruce said in the past is: try practicing, and then Teaching it to others.. just don’t say you are “Certified” if you aren’t… and give credit where the info came from.. but if you are just learning- say that, show see what results they get.. as you get practiced and experienced- you could have a class.

A class of students you “teach the system” that you present as from EnergyArts, benefits you receive (and opposed to other systems, you feel affects/benefits during the first exposure- which develops.. not “proof why this will work, eventually”.. thus if not certified, how trust? show-following they feel? if not…

So that not being based upon a Legitimizer of certification (ie students- formal, or very informal, they know you aren’t saying you have been certified, but most cert classes are a few days- ie a handful of hours, and then a piece of paper? even a multiyr program is usually a week or a few wkends per year.. not “multi-year”.. if add up the actual time….) but to work with, practice and get advice from those who’ve put in the grind-time experimenting and “Wiring-it-in” for decades (daily, not one wkend a yr for 10yrs, not even an hour a wk for __yrs)… you arrive having had some time trying to present it, you have good questions- “I can show these parts, but how they heck do I demonstrate ___?” -this person I taught received little benefit from ___ principle of NeiGung.. or What is the pt of this, in the EnergyArts system? and so on..

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Just to get concrete, a breathing training- even having worked with “other systems of breathing” (a different deal), vs having listened to the recorded info by Bruce (as I mention, previously only could have learned from a student of his how attended live with Bruce, or you at a live with Bruce to learn the details).. doing work with that, at a week long Breathing, he works it in, we practice.. = overload.. (I didn’t attend the Breathing IT, I just reference a retreat weeklong non-IT.. intense- in terms of the training-affect, just like going to a “Power-lifting” intensive where indivs lift-heavy all day for a week.. is bodies-systems ready for such a Work-out?

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so anyway, I’m not sure if that was confusing or helped- and I sure hope it didn’t make it seem like “too much” (even working other systems- Chigung, or Meditation, or Energy-working, Martial-arts movement.. healing.. there are separate systems, let alone this system that has them integrated, but with the EnergyArts foundation I find anything Else I do- I can see so much more in them… and EnergyArts (I started with the “First-Edition” of Opening the Energy Gates bk (the new edition is even more expanded).. so much implied that isn’t obvious, the surface is only the surface… and the meditation bks… the frst evening blass I attended, when he taught an evenings in the community center-wkly.. the first evening I had understandings to unfold and develop over the next year.. and that was after having read, thought, practiced, let alone trained in other systems already (and that was way back, for me- so much more is now avail)

Not sure what you immed goals are, and what your learning/practice with this has been (where you are seeking to go and how), but I hope some part of this might help respond to that (I wont assume it might “answer it” and this became rather long as I wanted to cover a number of different aspects, hoping to not just focus too narrow and miss the depth, let alone a fragment that might touch what you’re seeking [and whoever else might read this in the future, that may have the same question]/

I hope those others of experience may feel I didn’t mis-represent or obscure, and see how they might respond to your post /and perhaps refine my comments.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for taking the time to share Gary. I’ve been in touch with an instructor in my area. Your feedback is a great contribution on my quest. Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

gostaria que falasse sobre zhan zhuang
aprendi zhan zhuang com o mestre wang te cheng aqui em são paulo há 15 anos e sempre pratico e é algo que me faz muito bem

[Anonymous]

Your most welcome (even editing my post a bit, it was still rough- so I’m glad it providing something), good luck on your quest <if you work with an EnergyArts instructor (as opposed to another system) I'd be curious what you find, which NeiGung might grab you… with EnergyGates Bk, and the Newer Dr&T bk, vol1.. I've not yet seen vol2, but I really look fwd to it; there is some good accessible info, espec if you have some "fdbk/on track" contact). best wishes on "the path"

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