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March 27, 2015 at 3:14 am #129273
AnonymousGuestBelow was just some thoughts I wonder if any reading this might relate to- in terms of context (what game is being played), and how that interpretation frames the technique (either the explicit ChiGung, or via concepts in the “Classics” or Traditions, etc.)… and yet whether small-scale or large-scale, how it seems there is a benefit both.. which I can appreciate… < I wonder if any one might make connect further from it ^^^
to get it down below the baseline (as Bruce called it not just cleaning out what develops each day, but delving into to “old-stuff” to get the buried stuff lowered, in addition )…. or “The Meditation Game”?-dealing with the “Mind of Man” (A) , or the Mind of the Tao? (
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(which also seems to break into what could be termed “Personal Enlightenment” – ie recog the 6th into the 7th Ebody- recognize what one’s inner-nature is…..
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Thus “psychological” issues are related to (A)
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what is the essence of the “material” out of which I was/am made, no matter what form I may be shaped into- beyond different role/personas) (
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“Universal Enlightenment” (going from 7th Ebody towards recognizing not just the material-baseline I am formed of, but of what “The All” is formed of, which then formed the personal
(for ‘the stuff’ also formed all else) (C)
Above not to be too-literal a break-down, just I recall Bruce mentioning in the past in talks to sort of set out. ~4 categories [prep, A, B then C… and I think the red-dust, as the Liu metaphor is dealing more in the last-2.. .
but of course, again, it is a valuable model-metaphor in other ways. So I don’t mean its not applicable, just that is my understanding of how it used it, and seems the above links sort of blurs contexts… (ie. in that sense, words in one’s head, no thoughts, different thoughts.. different events occurring, all of that are interpretations of certain swirling of the red-dust… as more red-dust is removed, one can “see the water”.. ie recog essence (B or C above)… yet the events that occur can be exactly the same..-in other words- one that has achieved personal-essence realization (recog and integ your “nature”) can react just the same as one that hasn’t….. i the same way that one who realizes the Tao (per this metaphor, as I understand- not my exper
can act/exper just as one that has not….
But acting from the Mind of Personality-trance, vs acting from the Mind of Man, vs acting from the Mind of Te……. (then from flowing with, and mediating, the Tao)- the motivator of one’s actions are different, cuz of what is driving the action- not just different language-thought-self-talk (nor even a cleaner or less obstructed Energy-Channels)….
-I only mention that, as sometime this is interpreted as a psychological-model, and I believe there is more potential there (this coming from my re-reading, taking notes-
reOutlining into Bulletpts, then re-reading again (back to the DrawingBoard) those 2 meditation bks (Relaxing into your Being, and The Great Stillness), as I don’t think they are “available” until go into that way (struggle- as the term Bruce references- anyone know the Chinese word/char that is? -always wondered)======
as an aside, I do find it interesting that some traditions, systems, recipes, etc. have metaphors that mean “something specific” and not interpreted that way, they don’t seem to work…but say the Martial Classics (oft called the “Tai Chi Classics” as well as the other related ChiGung ‘song-poems’) seem to have many ways they are interpreted, and they “all” seem to have value… (just as does this metaphor of the red-dust mean the “Type” of thoughts-commentary? vs whether one has thought-commentary or not? (inner-quiet, ‘no reaction’)….
or does it mean the release/Sung/dissolving the obstruction of the Shinning of Consciousness?
(in the same way that the flow of E via the Echannels is blocked, health of the system as well as a certain action with it; the E of Con is blocked in experiencing through the “system”
not of Accu-channels/Egates, nor even a mind-awareness, but Mind-Awareness.. as that is freed.. one “becoming More” (and thus ‘in that place’ -everything involved furthers,thereby)
and I think each of those interps do have a value, (if you see as the last interp, the other applications are available, while if assume it only relates to one’s personality-reaction.. the more expansive-meditation lvls seem to be obscured.
-also as Taoism at root isn’t to be just about Human-thought, but also experiences (of nature, physical objtects), but also other types of beings- nonhuman, in other galaxies, even other “Universal contexts” (say a super-dense dwarfstar being, a being spread out in a gaseous state, or even a “non-physical Entity, let alone a thought process that uses no-symbols? no words/selftalk, as well as non-visual…? (how different from the blding blocks we use).. and yet TaoTe- and (Chou) I- Ching(s) are said to relate at this lvl…
[like the in the TaoSexMed bk- the concept of when one recognizes Yin and Yang at a pure lvl (beyond any context of expression, as well as beyond one’s viewpt in an Yin or Yang basis)… then one can have a sold-grounding to transfer in another “life”.. until then, what we experience may not transfer (startover as translate)…. thus the depth of what the Taoist ideals are looking at in terms of “tai-chi/LiangYi”]
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I hope that perspective might be useful, to augment (not distract) from the concrete application-approach in the other posts (as it all comes down to an exercise/drill of moving a bit- fwd from where one is at, now).March 27, 2015 at 3:27 pm #134992
AnonymousGuest“one that has achieved personal-essence realization (recog and integ your “nature”) can react just the same as one that hasn’t….. i the same way that one who realizes the Tao (per this metaphor, as I understand- not my exper
can act/exper just as one that has not….”
Love this bit!!
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