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April 16, 2014 at 7:19 am #129043
Hello to everyone.
I have a question, where exactly in cloud hands full movement Liu phase is begin? Right after hand rises with peng ( other hang is Ji) or after the waist is turned in the middle position, and upper hand is opposite to the central channel ?
Thank you to everyone.April 17, 2014 at 12:24 am #134374
Hi. I can’t read Cyrillic so I don’t know what your name is, but hello. I’m also working on this. I find there’s a sort of gradual shift from peng to liu in the upper hand that occurs as I turn to the front and the lower hand begins peng. However, I still need a lot of practice before this stabilizes. I’ve been working on neijin for a while but still have a long way to go before it’s really in my body and not just imagination. Or at least it feels that way now.April 17, 2014 at 6:14 am #134375
My name is Ivan ) Great thanx Matthew! During practice i found that Liu probably begin from central position to waist turn. Thanx a lot, i will practice and try to make it more real and less imaginative) Have a good time!April 19, 2014 at 11:53 pm #134376
I don’t know if this is the “official” answer, but I can tell you where it happens for me. For me it seems to start, as you said, after the waist is turned to the middle position. The top hand is doing Peng, and I can feel the sense of Liu starting when the elbow starts to bend in the top hand. I’ve usually completed the An movement at this point, and the bending of the elbow starts that feeling of absorption.April 21, 2014 at 11:28 am #134377
I found an interesting fact about Cloud Hands while listening to one of Bruce’s master classes included in this Module. It made me add Cloud Hands practice to my routine this month.
“Blood is moving as much in Cloud Hands as walking or running…if the waist turns and the foot moves..”
“Getting your energy to move from your internal organs down to your feet is the most difficult thing to do in the world of energy.”
Doesn’t this inspire more Cloud Hands practice?May 6, 2014 at 12:04 am #134378
I’ll second what Matthew said. For me it feels natural for peng to transition to liu at the same time as the inside hand switches from an to peng. Usually this is when the waste is turned about 50% more or less towards one side or the other.May 6, 2014 at 12:06 am #134379
I found that section of the video very helpful as well. Also the part about the energy of the arms and torso pushing out the leg when the foot steps out, and then the reverse, the energy of the leg flowing back in and powering the arms on the inwards step. This is what I try to feel for when I’m practicing the movement.June 4, 2014 at 1:08 am #134380
I have found that if you have done a lot of Yang Style tai chi it is easy to get the Pung, and Liu in the cloud hands. That said with Having practiced a lot of Chen style recently the An, Pung and Ji are much more accessible to me. My friend who does Wu style has had no problem getting the transitions to all the energies quickly. Perhaps it was just how i learned the Yang and Chen.
I am finding my right hand doing the Ji starts earlier them my left hand as I have used it a lot more with expressing Ji. I am totally interested in how to make this more even in every turn.June 6, 2014 at 8:28 am #134381
Have a good day everyone!
Hello. First of all i want to thanx everyone who practicing, reading and answering in this circle.
Then, what i found in Cloud Hands, about Liu. I found that for me, the way to actually feel Liu is to put my elbow to the ground right after pong ( horisontal). So when i do pong, my elbow is directed to the side, but after that, with waist turn, i slowly put it to the ground. so it feel like relaxing wrist and sucking (slightly) something into.
Hope it helps somebody. Thanx againJune 7, 2014 at 7:52 pm #134382
There you are, Ivan! I replied to a message you sent me back in April, but it bounced back to me saying “message undeliverable”. Did you have problems with your e-mail? I’ll try again – I didn’t want you to think I hadn’t replied!
And that’s a good way to describe it. The elbow probably should always be pointing down a little, but it does seem to turn a little more toward the ground when you start to do lu. I guess another way to describe the peng to lu point is when your palm switches from facing you to turning slightly downwards.June 28, 2014 at 1:31 pm #134383
I did not have any answers about the movements, but you sure did have answers for me. The description about the elbow position when the liu movement begins really helps clarify it for me.
Thanks, allJuly 10, 2014 at 6:03 pm #134384
Good day to everyone)
I want to share another small discovery.
First time when i practice cloud hands, i found that my legs are tending to be very close tj each other. And it was a lot of problems with that. So, with time i relaxed a bit and found that if feets are relaxed and in smooth contact with the ground – than with step legs are under the hip sockets. And with this – waist rotation, and hands movement are much smoother, and ease.
Thank you everyone. And have a good practice.July 14, 2014 at 11:01 am #134385
Hi to everyone!
I found another very helpfull ( for me) moment in cloud hands practice. It seems very obvious, and Bruce always speak about that, but i want to share my experience)
It is about opening your perenium. First of all i felt like my feets are coming in good contact with the ground, then i i try to relax my feet, and than, aha, i foung that somehow my perenium is slightly more open then it was before.
It happens not all the time during practice, but when it come – i can feel my hands seeking to the sky ( a little bit flying, and a little bit sweeming ^) and my legs and especially feets are solid on the ground.
Thanx to everyone and have a good practice.
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