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    What does “putting all the weight on the back foot” in Santi really mean?
    1) The front foot has zero weight, i.e., just makes contact with the ground or even (if desired) could just hover above the ground, or
    2) The front foot contacts the ground and is relaxed, carrying just the weight of the front leg, or
    3) The weight distribution is actually 95/5, 90/10, 70/30, or some other ratio

    I know some styles go with 50-50 which enables one to go in any direction (without having to perform a weight shift) more quickly and easily. From a combat perspective, this seems to be the most logical….

    Finally, can you post a video of how to get into Santi (on both sides) which includes the accompanying circling hands and important stance details?

    Thank you!
    Jeff

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    Hey Jeff,

    This is my understanding of it. The Weight distribution is normally said to be about 70/30, but really seems like 80/20, because *most* of your weight is on your back leg, and your front leg is carrying it’s own weight. The example I was given, is that if you were to sweep the front leg, the person would not fall because they are weighted back.
    Also, I believe it is practiced this way because this is the best way to train / condition. I think the 50/50 might be a more ”practical” or situational application in a self defense, or possible battlefield situation; I’ve also seen this taught.

    This is just my understanding. I haven’t been training in Hsing / Xingyi very long, so I would like it if someone else who had more experience would also comment on this.

    Thanks, look forward to hearing from more of our fellow students.

    -Daniel

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    Hi Jeff,

    I hope the following can help you:
    From all the material that I’ve seen on SanTi, the Xing-I DVDs (Including the I-Chuan ones), Dan Kleiman’s video blog, and seminars I’ve done with EA instructors, it seems to me that when Bruce says “100% weight on the back foot”, it means exactly that ! All of your weight is on that one foot, so the other is just held in position touching the floor and can be lifted at any moment without that modifying the rest of your stance. Lifting your unweighted foot is an easy way to check if you are truly 100% on your weighted foot.

    Regards,

    Erwan

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    In my former school 50/50 was taught
    and for training purposes a student would be put in 90/10 but this wasnt
    used forever just to condition the legs.

    50/50 was emphasized as the ideal.
    this is a link to a clip of me doing 50/50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT1ps3Di0y0

    the opening is not the same as what you see in most schools.

    But I have seen a lot of schools and people like yang jwing ming emphasize 60/40.

    When I trained a lot of 90/10 I found that I was able to pull people toward me quite effectively. as I would pull their hand toward my rear foot.

    I believe that you can get benefit out of all of these weight distributions.
    I also think that whatever weight your teacher is emphasizing will probably work best within that particular system.

    Me personally
    I do primarily 50/50
    with my intention more about staying in the center then anything else.

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    oh as far as going into san ti on both sides using circling hands

    The so called circling hands is the opening

    Traditionally (please someone correct me if I am wrong)

    you only use the opening to go into the left side I dont know why

    when you transition to the right you just do a pi quan to move into the right side.

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    Hey Guys,

    There’s also this thread on the general forum : (http://www.energyarts.com/forum/santi-weight-distribution)

    I found Isaac Kamins’s answer particularly interesting :

    “Bruce has always taught 100% back weighted santi. The way he explained it to me was that the 60/40 or 70/30 stances are stronger (ie you are more stable) but the 100/0 is faster (ie you can step immediately without having to shift your weight) and it is better for your mental development.
    You can see me doing it here http://dankleiman.com/2013/10/31/training-xing-yis-five-elements-with-isaac-kamins/”

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