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    In the level 1 video 1-05 “Exercise 5 – Moving the shoulders… etc.” Bruce introduces moving the shoulder blades when making the moves. At 3:40 minutes in the video he demonstrates this himself. I do also see a lot of movement of the tips of his shoulders. Personally I am able to easily move the shoulder blades up-down or left-right without moving the tips of the shoulder at all. I have always thought that was what Bruce meant when he mentioned the movement of the shoulder blades in past workshops. Therefore I am confused doing these exercises: should I move the shoulderblades with or without moving the tips of the shoulders?

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    Addition re dilemma. Somebody might think to reply: do what you see Bruce do. However, if I focus on my shoulder blades only they will go up (or down), not the shoulder tips. If I focus on moving the shoulder blades en shoulder tips at the same time I do not do what Bruce says I should do (also in level 2 videos), i.e. focus on the shoulder blades.

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    Hello
    I would like to see how you lift the shoulder blades while keeping the tips still. I guess it is some kind of rotation.

    To me the shoulder blades and the tips are one piece. If I lift the bottom of the shoulder blade there is no way for me to not move the tip as well. As far as I understand Bruce it is important where the movement comes from. Does it generate from the muscles around the shoulder tip like in exercise 1? Or does it generate from the muscles at the bottom of the shoulder blade? It is like a pool cue where the back of the cue moves the tip. I guess “Do not move from the shoulder tips.” does not mean to keep them still or fixed. I think it rather means to let the tips to be moved but do not let them be the place from which the movement generates.

    Does this help? Or did I misunderstand you?

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    I think you are right.
    Bruce started by moving the shoulder tips to show how the movement looks like. then he went on and said that the movement must be from the shoulder blade i.e. outwardly it looks alike but on the inside which comes from our intention it is different.
    I am trying to learn the gist or the most important part of this course which is to open and close and or to stretch the fascias.Fascias bound and controls the muscles and the qi controls the fascias,
    With our intention we play with our qi and becomes conscious of the qi and the fascias as a result. Qi starting form the shoulder blade or from the tips have different implication.

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    Thanks Ben, FYI: maybe I have a weird body as far as being able to move my shoulder blades at will up or down or towards and away from each other by using the muscles around that area when my upper arm (i.e. shoulder tip) is not moving or immobilised. I use different muscles then when lifting the shoulder tip up. I discovered it was possible after Bruce at one time mentioned moving the shoulder blades during a workshop a long time ago. As far as your advice: I’ll concentrate on moving the shoulder blades starting from the bottom and make sure the shoulder tip moves also.

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    Hi Ben, I just read a comment by Lad Hudac on 8 June 2017 as a reply in the topic with the heading “Stretching the neck”. He writes: “able to free my shoulder blades”, “your shoulder blades continue to free”, “moving the shoulder blades up will have an almost counter balancing movement of the neck stretching downward”. I don’t know if he experiences the same as I, but it does sound like it.

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    Hello. Here’s my thinking:

    Many people do not know what their shoulder blade is or how to move it. To introduce the concept you focus on the tips which are a very external thing you can see and touch. So then you get the tips moving – most often via use of your trapezius muscles – which can move the tips. As you gain more sensitivity you can track your entire shoulder blade. As you gain even more sensitivity you can sense your fascia. Ultimately you will not use your muscles to move the shoulder blade. You will use fascia and chi. When you get to this level you can originate the movement from the bottom of the shoulder blade, the middle, you can start at the bottom and “push” you can start at the top and “pull”. So the tip idea is just to get you started.

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